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Scarlet the FoxI think it's time for folks to learn how to self-host again and to spread the hobby around.
The web should be unruly and insubordinate. Centralization and the pursuit of convenience is killing the internet.
AstraLuma@scarlet gonna disagree
(As one of the commercial webhosts, I'm biased, BUT)
There's a lot of demand on creative types these days, and indies need more skills than ever to be successful.
We need more small providers and trusted friends. Not everyone needs to individually self host, but everyone needs to know someone.
Specialization is the superpower of civilization. We should be leaning on that.
@astraluma Does self-hosting not include being able to host for small groups?
Does it not involve commercial web hosts? Most folks won't be running a server in their closer, for example. I know I don't.
As an example, a self-hosted forum necessarily has other users on it. A self-hosted minecraft server could serve many people.
I see supporting self-hosting as a broad anti-centralization front.
I'm actually in support of reasonable hosting companies.
@astraluma That is unless you are advocating on behalf of discord, microsoft, google, etc - if that's what you're in favor of, then we are diametrically opposed.
Carl B. Latro@scarlet @astraluma
I think the key is to sort out how to fund them from the start, and then what they're to be afterwards.
Lots are now used to the idea of social media being free. I'd suggests a subscriber pays for X number of accounts, and then invites people to join them. Then, when the subscription is due, any of the members could pay it. Which is how such groups would live, or be brought back to life.
doggo!@astraluma @scarlet I agree, we need smalls pods of groups of self hosting peoples. Self hosting is a full time job :/ Not everyone is willing to do it, nor have time for.
The Eldritch Rain 
@scarlet SELF-HOST EVERYTHING :D
Gray Hairs@scarlet
Seems like we or our communities need to run our own email servers and possibly VPN, CryptPad, and NextCloud, although email spam and (other junk mail) can be too much for most administrators.
Seems like we or our communities need to run our own email servers and possibly VPN, CryptPad, and NextCloud, although email spam and (other junk mail) can be too much for most administrators.
Eduardo Mercovich (él)I second what @kete said:
. between self host (very few can do it, and almost 1 server/person))
. and big tech (almost everyone, but jailed)
. our communities are the ideal human scale.
Communities can be a family, a group of friends, a club, a church, a hackerspace, a study group, a sport team.
They can go from a few people to a few dozens... That is enough to have some people who know how to do the needed things, a diversity of voices, distribute costs, have appropriate governance, while evolving local, shared, sensible rules.
We do that in a few communities I'm part of, and it works beautifully.
:)
@scarlet nostr ?
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