𝐿𝒢𝓃𝒢 "not yet begun to fight"2d ago

TRANS PERSON: please don't press the button that makes children kill themselves

CIS PERSON: but it's such a pretty button

TRANS PERSON: yes but it kills children

CIS PERSON: it looks so fun to press tho

TRANS PERSON: uh huh it kills children

CIS PERSON: you don't understand this button reminds me of my own childhood

TRANS PERSON: i feel like I need to remind you - dead children

CIS PERSON: *sweat pouring down their face* but i can separate the button from the person who made the button!

TRANS PERSON: good for you, the button still makes children kill themselves

CIS PERSON: *straining from the effort of not pushing the button* but i want my children to enjoy the button

TRANS PERSON: the button that kills children

CIS PERSON: you just don't want anyone to enjoy things

TRANS PERSON: again...dead children

CIS PERSON: *pushes the button*

This post is about JK Rowling.

Show threadVi πŸ¦„πŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈπŸ¦„2d ago
@Lana urgh as a vegan trans woman I get to enjoy the FUN that is having this conversation and then the exact same conversation with funnily the exact same arguments, except the dead children is young animals and the button is eating meat/eggs/dairy x.x
Show thread𝐿𝒢𝓃𝒢 "not yet begun to fight"2d ago

@AnhedoniaIsReal I guess the difference for me is I don't see dead children and dead chickens as morally equivalent outcomes.

I do agree it is good idea to reduce our meat intake for the betterment of our planet though, and I am actively taking steps to do that in my household.

Show threadVi πŸ¦„πŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈπŸ¦„2d ago

@Lana there is no way to ask this without coming of combative but I really just want to know:

Do you know what that moral difference between dead human children and dead chicken children is for you?

Show thread𝐿𝒢𝓃𝒢 "not yet begun to fight"2d ago
@AnhedoniaIsReal it's fine, it's a fair question. I hate to say it this way because it sounds like I'm being snide and I promise you I'm not. But the moral difference for me is one is a human and the other is a chicken. In my mind there is a moral distinction based on that.
Show threadVi πŸ¦„πŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈπŸ¦„2d ago

@Lana no not snide, I have heard it before actually, don't worry.

Maybe it's my autism, but I don't understand why species is that line instead of gender, skin color or (other differences we already agree on not being morally relevant).

Thanks for being honest btw :)

Show threadeestileib (she/hers)

@AnhedoniaIsReal @Lana

My attitude towards eating chickens changed a lot once I had a few in my backyard laying for me.

My attitude towards eating the eggs my hens laid did not, particularly after I saw them eating the eggs of other birds in the yard.

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Show threadVi πŸ¦„πŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈπŸ¦„6h ago

@eestileib @Lana sounds pretty promising :)

Only thing I would ask is, why you might be basing your morals on the behaviour of other animals?

Can the chickens in your yard live there until they die "natural" deaths? (Natural in quotes since they have been selectively bred to lay as many eggs as possible instead of a couple a year, which understandably is super stressful for their bodies=/ )

Show threadeestileib (she/hers)6h ago

@AnhedoniaIsReal @Lana

The rest of my family is vegetarian so they were never going to get eaten.

I've been in the ocean with sea lions and fish next to each other. The beachmaster came out and barked at me, gave me a look in the eye to show I was not allowed on the beach, and went back. One of the pups taught me how to play chase sea lion style, and over the course of a few minutes, learned how long I could hold my breath, and was steadily increasing the challenge level of the patterns I was supposed to follow.

There were also fish swimming around, and some of the other pups were practicing herding them around, they could easily predict how the fish were going to react.

I've also pulled a lot of shrimp out of the water, you can spot where they are spawning because the surface of the water gets a certain look. You can use a hand net to scoop them up, sometimes they jump right in the boat.

I can't give you an unassailable reason why, but my moral sense reacts differently to shrimp and sea lions.