okay so what's going on with office software

the OnlyOffice mess is garden variety xenophobia that people who know better on here are amplifying, that's easy

what the fuck is going on with LibreOffice and Collabora

@whitequark has LibreOffice gotten any better recently? god it was awful the last time I tried to use it, and I'll never forget the time one of my students who (with good intentions) moved some of our documents over to it and they were so irrevocably fucked afterwards that we just discarded all of the work he had done
@regehr you'd have to be more specific for me to give you an answer, like what was awful?
@whitequark it just didn't really seem to work, had trouble with basic document formatting and saving and loading and stuff. was a few years ago
@regehr @whitequark I similarly found Write to fall short on basic "being a word processor" tasks like reliably formatting & loading/saving when I last used it 4 or 5 years back. Calc seemed less janky at the time.

@regehr @whitequark interop with MS Office was not even minimum viable product quality at the time, too. documents made in Word would be unusably broken when loaded in Write, with stuff off the edge of the page, overlapping text in tables, different fonts and sizes, etc.

if it's gotten to an actually usable standard that would be very good news.

@gsuberland @whitequark what you are describing matches what I remember. just like not really possible to accomplish basic tasks.
@regehr @gsuberland @whitequark
I made a presentation with LibreOffice in 2019 and SVG rendering was so broken that I had to rasterize all my SVG images. As an example it was rendering the Chromium logo as an octagon instead of a circle.
@regehr @gsuberland @whitequark
Found it (it was a hexagon, not an octagon but the point is the same)
And this is not some specially crafted example, all my SVGs were broken in a similar way
@regehr @gsuberland @whitequark Perhaps I was just lucky, but I used it a lot in 2023 for school and I always managed to open files made in Word just fine in Write, and files I made in Write also looked completely normal in Word, it just worked flawlessly for me (the other libreoffice programs also worked fine but I didn't use them as much). Maybe it just got a lot better with time.
@lilyyllyyllyly @regehr @whitequark certainly possible! would be good if it is like that now.