Pennsylvania, USA is trying to stop HOAs from banning native plant gardens.

https://slrpnk.net/post/36185749

Maryland has HB232 which supersedes all HoA law and says any low impact landscaping / xeriscaping is permissible AND favored if it prioritizes native plants and fauna / pollinators.

The simplest thing to come of it is “you can’t force me to grow grass”

God forbid you have native plants that thrive for the entire local ecosystem it supports. This spreads out as the local habitats need to leave their native homes to find other sources for their foods. Plant native. It’s good for our planet!

OP, this was introduced September 25, 2025 (you mention this), sponsored by 14 of the Pennsylvania House’s 203 members (all Democratic in a split House), and its only action so far after introduction was to be referred to the Housing & Community Development Committee (read: nothing).

It’s not dead per se, but it’s made no progress whatsoever in six months, and the next session starts January 2027. This bill categorically is not evidence that it’s “becoming law across America”.

(Here’s the bill on the official General Assembly website btw. I have no idea where Fast Democracy gets its summary you pasted here; an LLM?)

Thanks for the additional context

HOAs are such a fascinatingly American thing. They seem to cause no end of annoyance for those living in them, and have few to no positive effects (at least, we don’t hear about any positives), yet they persist.

Can those who are adversely affected not do anything about their local ones, or is it actually a case that they’re not too bad for most people most of the time?

There’s very little people can do. In order to fix things you usually need to get on the board, but the people who run HOAs are usually retired nimby assholes and they hold meetings while most in the neighborhood are at work so nobody can oppose them. They then reelect themselves to the board and the cycle continues. HOAs are usually a thing set up by the builders to make their lives easier for some paperwork and stuff. They absolutely suck 99% of the time.

Native plant garden bans aren’t just an HOA thing. Many counties or cities ban them too. Much of it stems for chemical manufacturers selling the white picket fence image after WWII to veterans receiving funding to buy a home. The chemical manufacturers pushed hard for that image so they could keep making as much profit as they made manufacturing for weapons during the wartime.

This means that trying to fight your HOA on yards is useless, you have to go higher and it’s a big big fight

Man none of that is true.
You make a compelling case
I made my case in a different comment because responding to a user that claims board members can reelect themselves completely disqualifies them from having an actual conversation about the topic. Everything they said is made up from someone who has read too much online from other people that have no clue what they’re talking about.
All they had to do is qualify with some hoa’s do that… There’s a million different types of them, each state will have different limits.
I’ve heard horror stories about some, I’m sure a lot of them are fine… I would never move somewhere with an HOA personally
Exactly, maybe 1 in a thousand is as bad as they say, but they literally would not exist if they were that bad across the board, because HOAs are pitifully easy to dissolve.

If you like videos, you should definitely watch Climate Townś “America’s Dumbest Crop” when you have the time:

inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=KLYMjPNppRQ

Your link doesn’t work for me, but in any case, none of what that person says is true. Maybe they have had anecdotal things happen like that, but the majority of it makes no sense. HOAs are built with boards, residents can vote out those boards. If those things actually happened the boards would get voted out and the HOA dissolved. HOA boards can’t reelect themselves (this should have been the first sign that what that user was saying was bullshit).

HOAs are usually a thing set up by the builders to make their lives easier for some paperwork and stuff.

Builders are encouraged by the local government to set up HOAs because it lets said government shirk its responsibility to maintain infrastructure and services.

If your subdivision is gated, its streets are private and the homeowners are responsible for repaving them, for instance.

(Of course, that’s only a motivation cities caught onto relatively recently. The original reason for HOAs – at least for neighborhoods of single-family houses, as opposed to condos that have legitimate shared maintenance – was to help keep black people out.)

Good input. I was definitely doing some “draw the rest of the owl” for brevity about their history and impact.
Thats why you dont dight the HOA, you sabotage them with geurilla gardening.

I’m always down for conscious rebellion but that’s a great way to get a lien on your house if you’re caught for those who don’t know.

Growing any food in our front yard is illegal in my city. Guess who’s currently growing sage in the front garden.

HOAs offsets the cost and maintenance of roads and other civil services, so many counties love them because it keeps costs down for the government while charging the neighborhood. It keeps taxes down overall.

HOA benefit to have their own fiefdom, that allows them to weld near unchecked power because the turn out for board elections are even lower than most local elections.

Homeowners have the ability dissolve their HOA but they don’t because people don’t vote.

They’re fine to terrible depending on where you’re at. In our neighborhood they make sure no junky cars (cars on blocks) are left outside and that you don’t leave massive oil spills in your driveway and that your house is painted when it starts to peel. They also have planted a bunch of native gardens and maintain them and the dog bag dispensers and poop bins. Would just be better if the city did it, but whatever.

Pretty much nothing of what that other user said is true. HOAs host meetings at night usually, anyone can come, yes people don’t come and vote but that’s usually because people are fine with their HOA. They can’t vote themselves back in. If they sucked 99% of the time they wouldn’t exist, because getting rid of them is dead simple, literally show up and vote.

Or sooner move into a pile of feces than into a house with a HOA
You end up with what you put up with
You just can’t handle all the freedom.
and like most things that are bad about the us, they exist because of racism
Dismantling them would require somehow introducing a vote to abolish the hoa, and a lot of people involved in hoas are ancient NIMBYs that have nothing better to do after retirement that be in other people’s business. The purpose of an HOA is to ostensibly preserve property values, and only homeowners are allowed to vote, not any poor suckers that are renting and actually living there.

To add to some of the other replies (road repair, etc) the one we used to live in also offered access to a full pool area with life guards. This included a lap pool (with certain adult only times), toddler shallow pool, a medium (standing/walking) depth that had some fountains in it and a splash pad. A decent sized play ground. There was also a larger event space with a kitchen that you could rent (price was free, just had to schedule a slot and sign a damages waver). The fee also included “beautification” things like all the flower beds and landscaping/grass maintenance in all the public areas, which included a 2 mile loop running/walking path with the various body-weight workout stops. Tennis courts, community events with food/games/etc. It’s about $880 a year now i think, and the only rules were really just keep your place looking decent. We didnt have any issues because i always mowed the lawn and trimmed the bushes anyways…there’s also guidelines for not painting your house crazy colors or building really weird structures, but it was pretty easy for your average lifestyle all things considered.

Im no advocate for HOAs, not even this one. I will never live in one again…but not all HOAs are equal is my only point. Some are $1000 year with literally nothing to “give back”. Eff all that.

You hear about the shitty ones, tbh.

Mine covers the community pool, a few small playgrounds, gym, community garden, etc. Thats it.

No getting approval to have your door be blue instead of white, no measuring your grass height, or any of those shenanigans.

They were made to harass minorities as far as I’m concerned.

If you want to see the positives of HOAs, Google “What are the legal options for dealing with my neighbor Reddit.”

Most people have a significant portion of their wealth tied into their property. Getting a new drug addicted neighbor three years before retirement could lead to unintended financial consequences. There are good HOAs, it’s just that nobody complains about them.

My god your comments are idiotic. Not only are you racist from other comments I’ve seen, but now you tell us you think drug addiction is a common issue in neighborhoods… hint, it’s not.
Honestly if you just ignore anyone with a new user flag on the threadiverse your experience will be better imo. A lot of them seem to want to being the reddit bullshit onto here and its just not worth getting into it with them. Trolls leave when you ignore them and all that.
I don’t see flags on usernames on the Connect app. Maybe I should switch apps.
Highly recommend summit. Just had a redisgn and even before it was my favorite looking app.

have few to no positive effects

The purpose of an HOA (in theory) is to divide the costs of land maintenance across land owners.

In practice, HOAs are routinely abused for rent seeking and stigmatization of minorities. But that’s not a problem specific to the legal arrangement. It’s a consequence of the managers and members.

I grew up, and have been living in apartment buildings all my life, so that’s what I’m used to. It has always been a neutral to positive experience, but nobody really talk about those.

HOAs have a lot of applications that aren’t horrible, you just probably dont hear about them. Neighborhoods with HOAs are often centrally planned, so there will be common areas that require upkeep like pools, clubhouses, parks, etc. They essentially take on a form of government role. In a lot of neighborhoods that are not part of an incorporated city, they do things like trash collection, road upkeep, snow plowing, etc.

I’ve lived in 2 places with an HOA, and in the one, all they did was the landscaping, even around all the yards of the houses. In the other, they handled the park/pool/clubhouse, and they did trash collection.

The down sides are often because the people in charge are just retirees who hunger for power, and there isnt much oversight from real government. Most people dont care enough to try to oust the bad leaders, so they stay in control, and they often do things that are illegal, but no one calls them out on it.

HOAs are criminally oppressive, born from the desire to prevent colored families from moving into white neighborhoods, and should be outlawed.
What’s the point of even having a yard if it looks like the ones in the picture? Why not just go live in an apartment then. Having a piece of land to enjoy seems kind of the point of owning a house in the first place.
Yeah native plants does not mean you have to keep your lawn an overgrown jungle.
…do you see where you’re posting?..thriving verdant habitats are kind of the entire point of a no-lawns community, and while you’re free to rail against natural growth within groomed enviroments it’s kind of an old-man-yells-at-cloud exercise in futility…
If it’s your yard you should be allowed to have an overgrown jungle if you so wish.
I agree, if only you are controlling invasives, and promoting native plants.
Just like what ICE are doing you mean?

Your land has effects on you’re neighbors’ land.

Anyone who has had a big tree stretching across the property line can tell you this.

What’s the point of even having a yard if it looks like the ones in the picture?

Dog bathroom.

Where I live, it’s a bathroom for other people’s dogs.
Wait are you referring to the flat green lawns or the native / overgrown one?

I don’t know if MN has this law but I did get a grant this year from the states Board of Water and Soil Resources to plant native as a lawn replacement. It’s amazing. It’s called Lawns to Legumes

https://bwsr.state.mn.us/l2l

Lawns to Legumes: Your Yard Can BEE the Change | MN Board of Water, Soil Resources

MN passed a law in 2023 preventing cities from banning native lawns. It said notbong about HOAs, though. Even the state don’t wanna fuck with them, it seems. Link
Minnesota cities can no longer mandate turf grass lawns • Minnesota Reformer

Minnesota cities can no longer ban pollinator-friendly native landscaping, thanks to a provision in a state government finance bill that took effect in July. Concern over declining populations of bees and other pollinators has sparked interest in native plant landscaping in recent years, with many homeowners opting to tear out their turf grass lawns in […]

Minnesota Reformer
Better than nothing

Nature lowers property values, which is weird because I like nature.

This got me thinking about what my ideal city would look like, so I asked AI make an image based off my description, and honestly not bad:

But what about my property values? /s

If you’re rich enough to have a lawn or grounds then you should be able to decide what you do with it.

As we understand the over-use of land and bungalow sprawl’s ignored issues, this will become a non-problem with the slow migration to proper consolidated, shared space.

Hey who in US is leading a fight for mandatory 30 day minimal vacations a year and, nationalization of all seashores and guaranteed health care?
I want to join
Let’s see…We’ve got the party that bombs foreigners for no reason, or… The other party that also bombs foreigners for no reason.
Kinda funny how Americans call their country “land of the free” but can’t even do certain things on THEIR OWN PROPERTY because of the HOAs.
Should we go down the list of things Americans can’t do but the rest of the world can? The irony of holding up freedom as their cornerstone while keeping the largest inmate population over bullshit without even a trial.
Number one on that list is health insurance being tied to your job. As in, some people literally die if they quit their job. Very freedom, much America.
I used to work in healthcare and bad news, the last 10 years the shit show has become even shittier in a way that feels like an acceleration. I left because I just couldn’t deal and feel better working for a tech company that is at least transparent what they do. However, somewhere in the middle of my career I had a patient with an aggressive brain cancer that took him from being a middle class working guy to basically unable to move without assistance. However, when I met him he was not receiving chemo or radiation or any specific care because he was diagnosed with cancer after collapsing at work. He was diagnosed and directly lost his job. He had to wait for a new month to be covered by the insurance his family purchased through the ACA market place. He had already earned too much that year to qualify for Medicaid. He sat around for three and a half weeks loosing function and possibly metastasizing because no one would treat him.
That’s not a contradiction. HOAs suck but they’re a contractual relationship that you enter voluntarily.