asieApr 5
https://s3kshun8.games/blog/flatpak-won/

This should be mandatory reading for everyone invested in the Linux ecosystem, whether you leave feeling heard by or enraged by the author.
Gabe Newell Is Shitting Yacht Money into Flatpak and You're Still Arguing about Init Systems

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Show threadtea Apr 5
@asie I think this post is good in the wake of lots of maintainers of (gui) applications being against flatpak.
I want to run a simple command to install your application, and not download an appimage which likely never ends up leaving my downloads folder.
I want automatic updates for those applications (whenever I decide to run flatpak update) instead of them doing their own update checks and bothering me with popups on startup.

I get that publishing to flathub is extra effort, but why is barely anyone building .flatpaks for their releases, when it is "close" downloading and running an appimage?
Show threadaApr 5
@tea @asie

> I want automatic updates for those applications (whenever I decide to run flatpak update) instead of them doing their own update checks and bothering me with popups on startup.

package managers solved this decades ago, though?

"i want automatic updates for those applications (whenever i decide to run {apt update, dnf upgrade, pacman -Syu}) instead of them doing their own update checks and bothering me with popups on startup"

in that regard, flatpak is just another package manager. (yes appimages suck but appimages aren't packages and they don't really have a good way to manage them or integrate them with your system)

> why is barely anyone building .flatpaks for their releases

more effort than just providing sources and letting people / distros build it for themselves? flatpak also forces sandboxing on you so all your dependencies need to be in flatpak as well. (one practical example is the obs studio flatpak not working with blackmagic decklink drivers)
Show threadtea 
@a @asie so what you're saying is we shouldn't bother with flatpak at all since every distro packaging something makes less problems for the user? (apart from updates being slow depending on the distro, and no sandboxing (for applications where it makes sense).

no one ever claimed flatpak was the perfect format for and should be used for everything, but it makes sense for a lot of cases and should be used where it makes sense
Apr 5 at 10:51amWeb
Show threadaApr 5
@tea @asie no? i'm not sure how you got that from what i said. you can use flatpak just like you can use anything else