Marcella Francesca 4d ago

I am ashamed of this Israel.

When, during our weekly prayers in the synagogue, we also pray for wisdom for Israel’s leaders, all I can think is: yes, wisdom. And a very long prison sentence.

--Rosanne Hertzberger, microbiologist and former Member of the House of Representatives in the Netherlands.

P.S. Hertzberger wrote this in the NRC newspaper, and there are many, many Jewish people in the Netherlands who share her view on Israel.

Show threadAral Balkan
@bitchboss @SRDas It does make me wonder, between the settler colonialism, the Nakba, the ethnic cleansing, and the apartheid over the last almost 80 years, which Israel was she not ashamed of?
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Show threadMarcella Francesca 3d ago

@aral @SRDas

Knowing Hertzberger, She is ashamed all of it.

Show threadDennis Mansell3d ago
@aral @bitchboss @SRDas not all Jews are Zionist, many never were.
Show threadAral Balkan3d ago
@dennmans @bitchboss @SRDas You be sure to tell that to anyone who says that they are. No one here is.
Show threadMarcella Francesca 3d ago

@dennmans

I think that around 30% of the (jewish) world’s population strictly adheres to Zionist ideology, whilst that figure rises to around 50% in Israel and America.
It also makes for a complicated discussion; there’s always a Zionist about who takes the opposite stance and berates everyone as an anti-Semite. It is an extreme right-wing nationalist ideology less than 200 years old and has absolutely nothing to do with being Jewish itself.

Show threadDennis Mansell3d ago
@bitchboss @aral I'm not too clear on the global numbers but I'm from the Netherlands and have Jewish, Israeli, Muslim and Palestinian direct family. My Jewish grandmother fled the Netherlands in WWII but returned. Her reaction to the war was not the Zionist one of a Jewish state, she was baptised and thought the best way to avoid future bloodshed was to completely assimilate. My Jewish ancestors largely did the same and have always opposed Israel.
Show threadMarcella Francesca 3d ago

@dennmans @aral

And so did my grandma and mother, they became Catholic. I'm a Buddhist. My granddad is Turkish, a Moslim, his dad too aswell as the whole Ottoman lineage. On Dutch, Irish, German and Polak side, mostly Christians and one sister reclaimed her being Jewish. Religion is one thing, Being an extreme-right nationalist another.