"Why are flights in the UK so often cheaper than taking the train?"

Some of the reasons are nonsensical:
for trains:

"The fuel is subject to VAT at 5% on diesel and 20% on electricity.".

this should be the reverse?!?

for planes:

"Fuel accounts for a much bigger part of airlines’ costs, but they do not have to pay VAT or duty on it.".

whyyyy??
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2025/nov/19/why-are-flights-in-the-uk-so-often-cheaper-than-taking-the-train

#SaveThePlanet and tax planes in proportion of the damage they do to their environment!

Why are flights in the UK so often cheaper than taking the train?

The environmental costs of flying are much higher, and the government subsidises rail travel, so what explains the baffling price difference when travelling domestically?

The Guardian

@elduvelle @albertcardona Moreoever, why is it that there are direct flights between cities in the UK that I need eight changes on the train and a dozen little bus trips for?

With each change likely to fail at a rate of 10% that gives me a less than 50% change of reaching my destination…

Airplane it is.

@jonmsterling @elduvelle

This summer I have to go from Barcelona to Berlin. The non-flight options are ... insane. I wouldn't mind a 24-hour trip by train, but it's not even that*. Many legs, no coordination between providers, subways and buses included. I am not a XIX century naturalist crossing uncharted territory, I am crossing the European Union from South to somewhat North. It's embarrassing.

* I was hoping for a 2-leg train, i.e., Barcelona-Paris and Paris-Berlin in the same day, but no, that would require me sleeping in Paris! The lack of coordination is as astonishing as it is appalling.

@albertcardona @elduvelle Yeah, it is so crazy. To even contemplate it for a second is hellish and laughable.

@jonmsterling @albertcardona @elduvelle I kind of enjoy the vibe of public transit where it's like these are migrating beasts and by careful divination and ritual offering you can harness their primal energy to speed you in a particular direction, like a raptor riding thermals. Of course there isn't going to be a migration going precisely from A to B, but with a bit of cleverness you can stitch together something.

It's pretty magical and unprecedented in human history that I can cross so many different countries by land safely and relatively quickly. Sure, OK, it could be faster. But like, thank you migrating beasts you are wonderful creatures.

@olynch @albertcardona @elduvelle I think my problem is that 60 years ago, it was 10X better.
@jonmsterling @olynch @albertcardona @elduvelle Was it, though? Do you have timetables for 1966?

@tml @olynch @albertcardona @elduvelle I think it's pretty easy to tell by the fact that it is not a major plot point in books and movies of the 20th century that it is impossible to get from one point to another without several missed trains, replacement busses that don't show up, etc. In those days, people made plans that required them to arrive at a certain time, and those plans generally worked.

The 20th Century would have been impossible without functional rail transit. Today, plans that involve travelling by train must necessarily involve arriving a day early and paying for a hotel if you need to guarantee an on-time arrival.

@jonmsterling @olynch @albertcardona @elduvelle Oh? The literally most famous book where train travel is central, made into several films and tv series over the years, features a serious delay caused by bad weather in the Balkans.

@tml @olynch @albertcardona @elduvelle I mean, the balkans is one thing.

But it is impossible to get from Cambridge to Oxford for a daytime meeting without staying overnight.

If I wanted to go to Glasgow, I would have to use four different train companies and none of the different train companies coordinate with each other — meaning that what ought to be a simple fix (as in the case of missed flights, where it just gets fixed without your intervention) becomes a huge ordeal that you are fully responsible for.

@jonmsterling When I’m in the UK I have often done (suburban) Glasgow to Nottingham as a day trip for work. It’s long, but not particularly stressful, I get several hours at the destination, and when things go wrong you are well looked after.

Cambridge to Oxford is straightforward, too.

@tml @olynch @albertcardona @elduvelle