VetOfTheSeasPunish the Democrats, she says
surewhynotlemIt’s easy to critique and play both sides when you don’t live here
GrailI hate that guy, but hate cannot make Me act against My own interests. Well it can a little bit, especially in fast moving situations. But it can’t do it with big decisions like My vote.
Yea, but from all his talks and bills I don’t trust him to not be against queer people. So in a way they both will be against my own interests.
My actions and his actions are two very different things. If he primaries, I may tell people to vote for him against the R, having told people to vote against him in the primaries. In both cases I would be acting in alignment with My interests, for they are two very different choices. I will hope for the best and plan for the worst.
He will be more against queer people than whoever the Republicans put forth? Really?
If candidate A wants you to hide your queerness and use the wrong bathroom, and candidate B wants to force you to be straight or go to jail or a conversion camp, are you really going to throw your hands up in the air and say it’s not worth voting?
Voting for someone does not mean you support everything they stand for. It just means you think they are the best option of what has been laid before you.
Voting for someone does not mean you support everything they stand for.
I’ve seen what centrists do when they don’t get their very first choice. They campaigned against Mamdani and formed a PAC to get McCain elected.
Ooops“Option A is really, really bad for me. But I’m not sure if option B wouldn’t be somewhat bad, too. So I will just watch and let option A happen.”
I’m getting pretty tired of voting for the ‘slightly less bad’ blue fascists, though.
No one’s arguing voting Dem is a magical cure-all. Your local Dem will not be 100% aligned with your worldview (unless it’s you in office).
But 65% is more than -200%. A shit-ton of so-called “lefties” cannot do basic math.
Yes they do! The Democrats’ secret plan is to be so bad at galvanising support so we vote for the Rs, and then the Ds don’t even have a lift a finger to destroy democracy. It’s ingenious, really. If they actually tried to win elections, they’d win every time, and then the left wing radicals in the party would climb the ranks and push progressive policies. But by losing on purpose, they deflect suspicion and keep the radicals down.
But 65% is more than -200%.
Nah, it’s more like “-40% is more than -200%”
Still headed toward fascism and abuse … just a bit slower.
Well, my plan is to jump out of the car (leave the country). But what you do is up to you.
If you’re a Jew in Germany in, say, 1926, what’s your best option for survival?
Voting? lol
Staying and fighting? Good on you, but your chances of surviving that are extremely slim.
Getting the fuck out of Germany and going far away? By far your best chance.
you should steer left.
Your local Dem will not be 100% aligned with your worldview (unless it’s you in office).
Biden and trump supported genocide, so they supported 100% of everything you’ve ever been.
Your courage to do anything will help in the long run.
Please at least consider the option that helps some others.
🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞It’s not even that. EVERYONE is harmed by fascists. Or, if you’d like to rephrase it this way: EVERYONE is harmed much more by fascists. Either way, in the general, vote blue. In the primaries, vote for the best option. And if you can run for office, run for office.
Single issue voting is how fascists win.
Voting is how fascists win.
This won’t be fixed by voting. It never could have been and it never will be.
Voting is how fascists win.
I’m just quoting the stupidest thing I’ve read this week for posterity.
Am I wrong?
Well, I don’t know here, let’s fucking use a brain cell or two.
Arguably, sure, facists win because people vote for them.
And do you know how facists lose? PEOPLE VOTE FOR NOT-FASCISTS.
So what you said was true and also the most useless fucking worthless statement I’ve read all week.
After all, the entire fucking point here is STOP VOTING FOR FASCISTS.
And do you know how facists lose? PEOPLE VOTE FOR NOT-FASCISTS.
Historically speaking, when have fascists ever been voted out of power?
Peak BlueMAGA voter outreach
I hate that guy, but hate cannot make Me act against My own interests
If only everyone on Lemmy were this intelligent lol
If it was a race between Gavin Newsom and JD Vance I’d vote Newsom in an instant.
jontree255I agree but it’s like asking “where would you like to be stabbed?”
For any Democrat trying to “move to the center” I’d like to point towards Labour in UK and ask them how that’s going.
Thankfully 2028 is a political lifetime away and Newsom might not even be relevant.
Newsom would do good things for the country and the world just like Harris or even Biden 2.0 would have.
Newsom would tell the base to fuck off while funding ICE and war, guaranteeing republican victories in 2030 and 32. He would be a Biden 2.0.
Biden did a lot of great things during his time as president and it’s a testament to the failing american education system and the right-wing propaganda machine how people couldn’t see it.
bdonvrHe also enabled genocide in Palestine and set the stage for Trump to win
All in all, a net negative to the world.
Dumb shit americans voting Trump or third party brought Trump into power.
That’s like saying the fever is what’s making you feel bad.
Like, sure. But you’re blaming the symptom not the cause. It’s the virus that did it.
Wagging your finger at those disillusioned by Dems being shit clearly hasn’t worked multiple times now. Maybe we should try something else.
Voters vote people in with our current system.
It’s also a testament to how bad the Biden administration failed at messaging.
Biden’s BBB and infrastructure spending was some of the best legislature of our lifetimes(yes BBB was watered down, corrupted, and did not meet the moment, but the bar is in hell).
Instead of doing full-court media blitz to advertise this victory to voters, they said almost nothing. Too afraid that Biden would reveal his dementia to the public, I guess. Fewest press conferences in modern presidential history, by far.
“Hitler made the trains run on time”
It’s not going to be JD. Mark my words, save my comment, it’s going to be Tucker Carlson. And if that happens and Dems haven’t changed their tune we are absolutely fucked.
If that happens and leftists are still their own biggest enemies with their pursuit of an ideologically pure candidate that doesn’t exist we’ll be fucked.
I don’t think most leftists are looking for an ideologically pure candidate, they’re looking for someone who will actually represent the people. The Israel issue is a great example of this disconnect; amongst Dem voters 90% are against supporting Israel, and yet there’s only a handful of Democrat politicians who have are agaimst sending Israel military aid. It’s really not a high bar for candidates to clear, and yet establishment Dems just keep SPRINTING to the right.
Leftists arent their own enemies, their enemies are neoliberals.
The only thing leftists do more than infighting is repeating right-wing propaganda.
LileathNewsom is not left wing just because his interns make fun of Trump on twitter. Some people don’t want their options to be “fascist” or “neoliberal” and shills like you critizise them more than they do with the literal nazis keeping this system in place
I have friends and family getting their rights taken away and getting deported right now I need Trump gone.
If that makes me a shill so be it.
Start a party that has a chance then start lecturing about changing the system.
I have friends and family getting their rights taken away and getting deported right now I need Trump gone.
Then you need a candidate who can win. Not a candidate you want because they’re a genocidal piece of shit and you love nothing in this world but genocide.
Single issue voters are the worse.