DandomRudeThe citizens of the United States are responsible for their country’s actions - even if they themselves ignore the atrocities committed by their government.
Sarah Valentine (she/her)“America isn’t doing enough to overthrow their own government”, says person whose only contribution to the fight against fascism is blaming other people for not doing enough.
I dragged my way up from homelessness, got a job, went to college, and am on my way to becoming a mental health counselor so I can do some actual constructive good for the people around me. I’m not built for tearing shit down in outrage, I’m built for healing and helping. That’s my fight, and I am fighting it. Who the fuck are you?
I don’t understand why you’re bringing this up. I’m not the one responsible for it. Your government is responsible - and your fellow citizens, too. It’s a mystery to me how the richest country in the world can have no social security, no health insurance, and all that. Where I come from, that’s covered under basic decency, but not in the US. No one else but US citizens is responsible for that, because they simply allow themselves to be exploited in such an absurd way.
It’s quite remarkable that you’re unable to properly assign blame for your own misery. But hey, it’s telling, because this post is about war crimes - and you’re acting as if I’m to blame for the fact that you can barely make ends meet.
Please don’t get me wrong, I’m sorry, but I can’t help you - only you yourselves can do that by forcing through the reforms that allow the population to live a life with some semblance of human dignity.
I can only say that this is guaranteed in every industrialized country in the world - just not in the US.
No one can change that except the US citizens themselves.
Nor can the rest of the world prevent the US from committing the most horrific war crimes, which the country is definitely doing.
That, too, is the responsibility of US citizens and no one else.
SanctusYou act like we’re just here and participating and there isn’t a cohort of cartoonishly evil wealthy people that control all our resources and have been propagandizing and militarizing the police for the last fifty years. I mean I’m wirh you on the taking action part. We should be rioting by now and pulling politicians from their homes and forcing them to sign reforms at gunpoint. Getting there is another thing. Even with coordinated groups no one wants to say, burn a data center, or stand up to ICE with their own guns, because everyone one of us has to deal with what you mention above, everything is tied to our jobs, which the wealthy cohort also controls. Now, with that all laid out, the logical course of action would be to take back our fuckong lives anyway if we’re oppressed either way. Most don’t seem to see it that way and want to ‘vote’ away the problems somehow. You can’t vote away absolute power.
I am not a U.S. citizen. Like any other person in the world, I can only observe that the US is committing war crimes and trampling on international law. So am I supposed to naively assume that all Americans are monsters? To put it another way: If that’s not the case, why does your country act this way? Aren’t you a democracy in which the will of the people is represented by the government?
I am well aware that this is not the case, but the responsibility for this lies just as much with US citizens as the responsibility for the war crimes your country is committing.
These questions dont seem in earnest. Generalizing entire populations in any society is never going to bode well. Life is not divided into binaries and nice boxes. No one in the US or anywhere 100% agrees with another on everything. So I ask you, what do you do? How do we go from where we are now to the People’s Revolution? If you ask me, you don’t. Historically it has never happened. Sri Lanka was different. So in my opinion the only thing you can do is what you can do. There is no big revolution coming.
No, you don’t get it, I know exactly what the source of my problems is. I also know that I’m doing the best I can to live in a world I didn’t make, and try to make it better. I didn’t ask you to help me, I’m busy helping everyone else around me. If I expect you to act, it’s not to save me but to save yourselves. Sitting there wagging your finger at us isn’t going to do anything about the fascism spreading all over the world. Feel free to sit there doing that all day until you wind up in the same situation as us. That’s your choice. But I won’t take you blaming people like me for it, just because I spend my effort healing and helping instead of destroying.
It really is American arrogance: I’m certainly taking a stand - it’s just that the very thing I’m taking a stand against is the the crimes of the US. If you at least try to stand up for the Palestinians, that goes without saying.
Christ, the irony in you calling me arrogant here is trumped only by your hypocrisy. Do you even think about the shit you write, and how it applies to your own situation? Or do you just switch your brain off after posting and cackle about how hard you owned your own fucking team?
That was rhetorical by the way; this conversation is already over.
toomanypancakesWell, my local politicians are opposed to everything happening under this administration and I didn’t vote for trump, and I’m in a minority group being actively victimized by the administration, but I guess I haven’t driven two thousand miles (3,218 km) to try to commit suicide by cop so you’re right, the bombing of other countries, treatment of minorities, theft, and more that’s happening at a terrifying scale is specifically my fault because I made the stupid mistake of being born in an evil country.
SteveWhat is the logic that gets you to this opinion.
Does it apply to all countries?
How many people need to support/condemn the actions in question?
Do the details of their electoral system matter?
Yes, applies to all democratic countries. The logic is Democracy.
What other question?
How many people need to support/condemn the actions in question?
Do the details of the electoral system matter?
You should be able to handle that on your own - but you’re not, even though you’re being exploited like this by a pedophile criminal.
There’s nothing else to say about it.
You want me to make guesses about your position?
Because you have nothing more to say.
Clearly this is a very well thought out and reasoned opinion of yours.
My opinion is that the U.S. is committing war crimes and doing everything it can to undermine established international law. Furthermore, the U.S. president is a pedophile and a felon.
What worries me is that the American people have come to terms with this and won’t do anything about it.
You reinforce my view on this.
XenoChillerAt the moment we are wasting our time blaming anyone but the Epstein Class for this mess and until they are brought down this will continue.
Yes, indeed, the blame lies with none other than this class. However, no one other than US citizens can solve the problem - which is why I’m writing this post, even though it merely states the obvious. It is simply an expression of utter incomprehension as to how such crimes are allowed to occur in a supposedly democratic country.
How can this pedophile criminal still be in office? In no democratic country in the world could such a degenerate person have been entrusted with any government responsibility at all.
The responsibility for this lies with none other than the American people.
Mugita SokioIt reads to me like you’re a defeatist who’s got some screws loose in his head.
The citizens of a country aren’t responsible for any of it, and ignoring a government’s actions is because it’s all a script being played out. History is uneventful otherwise, and that’s what the social engineers (of which I think you’re one of) don’t want.