Chris PetrilliThem: if you set aside all the ethical concerns…
Me: this is what evil is. This is how evil talks.
The Three Fingers@petrillic evil is always a bullshit concept. anyone who uses words like that has serious mental problems.
Violet MadderHow about torture, rape, or double-tap bombing hospitals?
If that isn't evil what the fuck is it?
CyIt's what the news wants you to care about, so you don't focus on improving the life of yourself and people around you, and remain a helpless little obedient worker drone.
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Why on earth would caring about something stop me from taking action to stop it?
Can you take action to stop it? If not, then why care about it?
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Damn right we can do something.
The belief we can't is what keeps us in worker-droning despair.
Well I'm sitting at my computer right now. It's a sunny day outside. I can go dig up dandelions, or work on the shopping list. What am I supposed to do about all this torture, rape, or hospital bombing again?
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@cy @petrillic @violetmadder idk where you live, but there are people around the world taking action against the suppliers of the IDF to hinder their ability to continue doing those exact things. i know of groups across the U.K. and U.S. working on that using various tactics right now, in the "Eject Elbit" campaign. just one thought that immediately came to mind.
If I ever find anyone who's doing something about "eject elbit" I'll see how I can help. I don't think standing in front of a CapitalOne and yelling at them will do much to stop weapon sales, though.
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@cy @petrillic @violetmadder it does. i've personally seen people take money out of that bank because of protests. people leaving the bank pressures them to stop investing in companies that support genocide. in NYC the DBNY group organized actions for a year and a half, and got the Brooklyn Navy Yard to cancel Easy Arial's contract. there's been a lot of sabotage of Elbit factories and warehouses across Europe, with the Ulm 5, for instance. i think there was a recent action in Canada too. lots of stuff going on, lots of it having real tangible effects.
I only have like $500 and it's in a credit union, but OK that's great. Still not going to care about it until I can (not blurt out on public social media that I will) sabatoge a factory or something.
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@cy @petrillic @violetmadder amount of money isn't relevant, i was responding to the effectiveness of noise demos, and acknowledging that people are doing other stuff too.
none of this is relevant to the topic of moralism tho, you popped in and started talking about apathy, idk why...
Bullshit is stuff that's technically true, but misleads you to trick you. Like for instance torture, rape, and hospital bombings. They're happening, but it's bullshit. You can even go one cuil further, and realize that you're getting mad about torture, rape, and hospital bombings, as they define it, letting them get you mad for even more bullshit reasons. Caring about all this stuff and some of it's not even bad, when you could be caring about something less glamorous like loneliness, or landlords, and actually get some good done.
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@cy @petrillic @violetmadder that's not how i define bullshit, it doesn't apply here, and it has nothing to do with morality.
i was saying that it's objectively true that all moral statements are false. not "technically true", just fundamentally illogical. and idk what you mean about calling those things "bullshit"...i think you're just spewing bullshit.
Man, I'm not even disagreeing with you. Why you gotta be hatin?
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