RE: https://fosstodon.org/@ovid/116334866923361500

My earlier thread on 4,000 years of enshittification got some great responses. One question kept coming up: if the extraction pattern is deeper than capitalism, what is the root cause? I think I have the start of an answer, but it means annoying people across the political spectrum.

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Marx correctly identified capital as extractive. His solution was collective ownership, with the state as a temporary bridge. Every implementation saw the bridge become permanent. The party became the new extractive class.

Libertarianism correctly identifies that institutions are extractive. Its solution: strip them away and let markets sort it out. Each one correctly diagnoses a disease, then prescribes a cure that causes the same disease.

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Because both models miss the deeper pattern. It's not capital or government that's the problem. It's power asymmetry and power asymmetries are convertible. Eliminate economic power and political power expands to fill the gap. Eliminate political power and economic power does the same.

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I should explain how assymetries are "convertible."

A tech founder has informational power (a proprietary algorithm). That converts to economic power (market dominance, stock price). Economic power converts to political power (lobbying, regulatory capture). Political power converts back to economic power (favorable legislation, weakened antitrust). The cycle completes.

The point is that if you eliminate one type of power, such as abolishing private capital, the people who still hold other forms of power (political connections, social networks, information access, capacity for violence) can convert those into whatever replaces capital. The extraction continues through a different channel.

We cannot fight a pattern we don't learn to recognize.

@ovid The pattern that needs to be recognized, is not the extraction, that is obvious. Rather it's why the opposition fails even though they are numerically superior and should win based on theoretical power. This is only slightly less obvious: it's because they fight more against themselves than the real enemy. This is something that people really don't want to hear, I've noticed. Even the people that refused to vote for Harris still refuse to understand the problem...
@trademark Yes! The infighting is a deliberate strategy that the elite are now adopting. It's not just Russian and Chinese psy-ops campaigns. The whole "woke" idiocy has been a perfect dumpster fire, burning the masses and keeping the elite warm.
@ovid while infighting is a deliberate strategy, e.g. US green party appears to work for Putin. This also happens entirely by itself without any external provocation. It started pretty much instantly after the 1917 March revolution, even before Germany sent Lenin. And he was entirely his own person, he was in no way created by German intelligence. This was extreme in Europe post WWII, with multiple communist parties in each country, it's so pervasive in so many countries that it must be innate.