Stefan Gagne

I seem to be the only person who is upset about RenPy starting to use AI-written code.

Well, I'm used to being the outsider. I'm used to burning down my own opportunites on general principles. So be it. I'll still use the engine but will not be updating it. Hopefully it'll hold together for years.

Apr 3 at 2:25amWeb
Show threadbri1d ago

@Twoflower this is the first i’m hearing about it and… wow, yeah, that’s incredibly disappointing. and with a project like renpy i don’t even understand the perceived need. i don’t feel like that’s a framework that needs to move fast and break things, like, at all?

keep on fighting the good fight. sigh.

Show threadStefan Gagne1d ago

@brhfl it was buried in a monthly update on their Patreon, so only backers found out about it. Nobody else found out about it.

Tom claims it's just going to be to reduce "drudge work" and he's going to limit vibecoding but like, if it's so trivial that he's downplay it this far, why do it at all? I don't know, but I can't include it. I made a promise to my audience to be 100% AI free and that has to include the code as well. I will not lie and compromise my ethics.

Show threadbri1d ago

@Twoflower i know i don't actually know you in any meaningful way, but i've been aware of you since before arcade spirits even dropped, i think, via aenne's streams years and years ago. and to that end, i'm not at all surprised that you're adamantly standing on the right side of things.

i truly appreciate your work & general ethos.

Show threadTuftears1d ago
@Twoflower It's certainly a very valid cause for concern! I switched tax software because I don't want GenAI hallucinating my taxes. (TurboTax)
Show threadTuftears1d ago
@Twoflower I'm not saying it's the same thing, I understand RenPy is not likely to suddenly become an interface to a GenAI to shoehorn generated content into your games, just that the code will be that much less carefully considered. But that's not a selling point. No one switches to AI to improve reliability and security.
Show threadStefan Gagne1d ago
@Tuftears yeah. and honestly, even if the code is great, even if there's never a problem, even if it's sufficient and terrific... it's still AI generated code using stolen content to power an LLM. I can't use it. That's just the bottom line, I can't do it because it opens me up to legal risk and poses ethical problems. Even if it's only ever used for like three lines of code, any contamination negates my 100% human made claim.
Show threadTuftears1d ago
@Twoflower Absolutely true too!