jeffmcjunkinGoogle releases Gemma 4 open models
Comparison of Gemma 4 vs. Qwen 3.5 benchmarks, consolidated from their respective Hugging Face model cards:
| Model | MMLUP | GPQA | LCB | ELO | TAU2 | MMMLU | HLE-n | HLE-t |
|----------------|-------|-------|-------|------|-------|-------|-------|-------|
| G4 31B | 85.2% | 84.3% | 80.0% | 2150 | 76.9% | 88.4% | 19.5% | 26.5% |
| G4 26B A4B | 82.6% | 82.3% | 77.1% | 1718 | 68.2% | 86.3% | 8.7% | 17.2% |
| G4 E4B | 69.4% | 58.6% | 52.0% | 940 | 42.2% | 76.6% | - | - |
| G4 E2B | 60.0% | 43.4% | 44.0% | 633 | 24.5% | 67.4% | - | - |
| G3 27B no-T | 67.6% | 42.4% | 29.1% | 110 | 16.2% | 70.7% | - | - |
| GPT-5-mini | 83.7% | 82.8% | 80.5% | 2160 | 69.8% | 86.2% | 19.4% | 35.8% |
| GPT-OSS-120B | 80.8% | 80.1% | 82.7% | 2157 | -- | 78.2% | 14.9% | 19.0% |
| Q3-235B-A22B | 84.4% | 81.1% | 75.1% | 2146 | 58.5% | 83.4% | 18.2% | -- |
| Q3.5-122B-A10B | 86.7% | 86.6% | 78.9% | 2100 | 79.5% | 86.7% | 25.3% | 47.5% |
| Q3.5-27B | 86.1% | 85.5% | 80.7% | 1899 | 79.0% | 85.9% | 24.3% | 48.5% |
| Q3.5-35B-A3B | 85.3% | 84.2% | 74.6% | 2028 | 81.2% | 85.2% | 22.4% | 47.4% | MMLUP: MMLU-Pro
GPQA: GPQA Diamond
LCB: LiveCodeBench v6
ELO: Codeforces ELO
TAU2: TAU2-Bench
MMMLU: MMMLU
HLE-n: Humanity's Last Exam (no tools / CoT)
HLE-t: Humanity's Last Exam (with search / tool)
no-T: no think
Wild differences in ELO compared to tfa's graph: https://storage.googleapis.com/gdm-deepmind-com-prod-public/...
(Comparing Q3.5-27B to G4 26B A4B and G4 31B specifically)
I'd assume Q3.5-35B-A3B would performe worse than the Q3.5 deep 27B model, but the cards you pasted above, somehow show that for ELO and TAU2 it's the other way around...
Very impressed by unsloth's team releasing the GGUF so quickly, if that's like the qwen 3.5, I'll wait a few more days in case they make a major update.
Overall great news if it's at parity or slightly better than Qwen 3.5 open weights, hope to see both of these evolve in the sub-32GB-RAM space. Disappointed in Mistral/Ministral being so far behind these US & Chinese models
You're conflating lmarena ELO scores.
Qwen actually has a higher ELO there. The top Pareto frontier open models are:
model |elo |price
qwen3.5-397b-a17b |1449 |$1.85
glm-4.7 |1443 | 1.41
deepseek-v3.2-exp-thinking |1425 | 0.38
deepseek-v3.2 |1424 | 0.35
mimo-v2-flash (non-thinking) |1393 | 0.24
gemma-3-27b-it |1365 | 0.14
gemma-3-12b-it |1341 | 0.11
gpt-oss-20b |1318 | 0.09
gemma-3n-e4b-it |1318 | 0.03
https://arena.ai/leaderboard/text?viewBy=plot
What Gemma seems to have done is dominate the extreme cheap end of the market. Which IMO is probably the most important and overlooked segment
