SatansMaggotyCumFart

If you don't let your smart tv connect to the internet you're stealing from the manufacturer.

https://piefed.world/c/unpopularopinion/p/1007670/if-you-don-t-let-your-smart-tv-connect-to-the-internet-you-re-stealing-from-the-manufact

If you don't let your smart tv connect to the internet you're stealing from the manufacturer.

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Apr 2 at 5:30pmWeb
Show threadMothra6d ago
???
Show threadkeksbaecker6d ago
Why do you think that?
Show threadmr_anny6d ago
Maybe the use without giving your data in exchange.
Show threadscytale6d ago
It’s probably the reasoning that the TV’s price is subsidized by the ads they push on the platform. I doubt they will pull the ads if they sell it for the “actual” price though.
Show threaddriving_crooner6d ago
SmartTVs are kinda subsidized by the fact that TV manufacturers can sell user data. They would be expensive if they couldn’t do that.
Show threadHobbitFoot 6d ago
Oh, you!
Show threaddandelion6d ago
that better be an unpopular opinion 😠
Show threadBjörn6d ago
Popular opinion: Good
Show threadhomes6d ago
This literally made me start laughing. Hilarious!
Show thread57156d ago
Don’t stop.
Show threadCarnelian6d ago
I’d steal directly from their wallet if I had the opportunity
Show threadSheldan6d ago
Is this sarcasm?
Show thread57156d ago
Why would it be?
Show threadZwuzelmaus6d ago
Because the other option is even less… umm… flattering
Show thread57156d ago
Only if you think stealing from big companies is bad
Show threadOptional6d ago
Show threadHupf5d ago
Show threadkmartburrito6d ago

That sounds like something you would say! 😀

Show threadRemember_the_tooth6d ago
Right? I think this user is hilarious, and this post is definitely on brand.
Show threadRicky Rigatoni5d ago
It’s crazy people can’t tell he’s shitposting with a name like that.
Show threadSteve6d ago
Is withholding, stealing?
Show threaddriving_crooner6d ago
I wasn’t going to connect it to the internet already. You don’t need to convince further
Show threadnjm13146d ago
Yeah this is a bait post.
Show threadThatGuy464756d ago
If they really didn’t want it to work without internet they would program it that way
Show threadtheunknownmuncher6d ago
Now they do! Can’t move past the setup menu on first boot unless you connect to the internet, with some of the latest models.
Show threadceenote6d ago
Siding with big tech is beneath you, SatansMaggotyCumFart.
Show threadtheunknownmuncher6d ago
Doubt it. The OP actively makes Lemmy and the fediverse a worse and more toxic community.
Show threadFireRetardant6d ago
I haven’t bought a new tv yet because i don’t want a smart tv. I will never use any of those features. Probably have to shop around the used market.
Show threadtheunknownmuncher6d ago
Just don’t connect it to the internet, and it’s fine. Beware though, some of the latest models require internet connection on first boot or it will not function. So check on that before purchasing.
Show threadryathal6d ago
Most will have basic functionality without an Internet connection, but they now lock full performance behind connecting to the Internet.
Show threadFireRetardant5d ago
If I’m not using the smart features anyway, i might as well buy a cheap used one.
Show threadryathal5d ago
It’s not just smart features. Some lock HDMI 2.2 features behind the Internet, or the highest resolutions
Show threadPhoenixz6d ago

Exactly! Isn’t that great?

I love stealing from shit companies that objectively make life, this world, and humanity shit.

I won’t ever steal from a person

But companies that lie, steal, cheat, and try ruining everything to get an extra dollar for the CEO? All is fair, the more the better, fuck you for ruining the world.

Show thread🍉 Albert 🍉6d ago

I know right,

live stealing from corporations. the steal from us all the time. this barely dents the balance

Show threadBitflip6d ago
Yep! Just like phones and computers and many other electronics, they sell them to you at or below manufacturing cost and recoup from the EULA terms you agree to at first boot, which includes analytics. 
Show threadtheunknownmuncher6d ago

Nope! Factually and objectively wrong, no opinion involved.

If it isn’t connected to the internet, it isn’t using any hosted services. The “stealing” argument, while still wrong, can only be argued if using their hosted services.

This claim is the same as claiming it is stealing if you don’t turn on and use a TV, despite owning one.

Show thread🍉 Albert 🍉6d ago

from what I’m aware of.

modern TVs are sold at a loss because they then profit of your data.

if that agreement was explicit, I would consider “not connecting it to the Internet” stealing, but a good stealing.

but it isn’t explicit, so it is more like you pritecting yourself from data theft

Show threadtheunknownmuncher6d ago
Right, what you agree to is clearly described in the product EULA, nothing else matters. At least for my Roku TV, the EULA includes no kind of mandate for internet connection.
Show threadBluegrass_Addict6d ago

it can’t be stealing since nothing is physically being taken from them, nor are we profiting from them.

their expectation on getting our data, isn’t theft since it doesn’t belong to them in the first place.

it’s the same vein that piracy isn’t stealing because nothing is actually being taken. it’s only duplicated. loss of income, or presumed income… sure, but it’s not theft.

Show thread🍉 Albert 🍉6d ago
i wouldn’t consider it stealing. but they still want someone to blame for lost revenue.
Show threadLost_My_Mind6d ago

My arguement is they sell TVs at a loss, expecting to make it up with my data.

But they don’t sell any TVs that DON’T do that.

I’d easily pay $20,000 for a 200 inch dumb tv at 8k, BUT THAT DOESN’T EXIST!!!

So I have to make due with a dumb projector.

Show thread🍉 Albert 🍉6d ago
for that price order a costum made high resolution dot matrix display for the whole wall.
Show thread5in1K6d ago
Some video walls are around that price.
Show threadAtherel5d ago

odern TVs are sold at a loss because they then profit of your data

I strongly doubt that. Maybe they sell at a lower margin to keep competitive, but they’d never sell at a loss. Okay, on paper maybe because they know exactly how to tune those numbers. But in the end, they make profit.

Show thread🍉 Albert 🍉5d ago
i think there are companies that sell product at a loss. like Costco hot dogs. I heard game consoles do too.
Show threadWiddershins6d ago
I went into my router settings and blocked my TV from accessing my wireless network. It is nothing more than a glorified and huge monitor for my computer. If they think I’m stealing they should leave the next TV they make on the windowsill to cool off.
Show threadcmbabul6d ago
That’s their mistake for assuming I have an internet connection, I do but they don’t know that
Show threadArmok_the_bunny6d ago
I might agree with you if it was possible to buy a modern TV that didn’t have any smart features, but since you can’t the only way to get a TV that acts as just a TV is to never connect it to the internet. In addition, if the manufacturer actually cared about requiring me to connect it to the internet to spy on me they would have made me sign some contract to that effect before I purchased it. It’s not my fault if they don’t profit off my purchase if I don’t use it the way they want; I’m not the one who set the price.
Show threadArache Louver6d ago
is so satisfactory to steal from capitalist parasitic and decadent pigs, I would do it the rest of my life.
Show threadBad_Ideas_In_Bulk6d ago
“Stealing” from advertisers is a moral imperative.
Show threadWarl0k36d ago
Cryin’ over some of these comments, this one is masterful SMCF. Good to see you back on form.
Show threadDarkassassin076d ago

I’d consider it to be protecting my own right to privacy; but if you really want to frame it as stealing: I’m glad to be doing so. I’d even say stealing from these companies is a moral imperative.

Are you doing your part? Or have you spread your cheeks for corporate America?

Show threadDarkassassin076d ago

This makes me curious:

Would you consider using 3rd party ink cartridges to be stealing from printer manufacturers??

Similar scenario: the printer is sold at a loss, with the expectation that you overspend on proprietary ink. If you don’t buy their ink, you’re not allowing them to recoup their losses; ‘stealing’ the profits they expected to make from you.

Show thread🍉 Albert 🍉6d ago

I know Right.

I sure love stealing from corporations. hell yeah, stealing from them is good.

Show threadBluegrass_Addict6d ago

factually not correct.

what is ‘being stolen’ exactly?

Nothing is being taken from them, they just aren’t getting everything they planned on. that is not theft. just like piracy isn’t theft since nothing is physically being taken or lost.

Show threadtheunknownmuncher6d ago
Yeah, it is not an opinion, it is just plainly wrong. You agree to explicit and well defined terms in the EULA for the product. Opinions aren’t relevant, just the facts of the EULA. My Roku TV EULA does not mandate a maintained internet connection, so I never agreed to provide internet to my TV.
Show threadFireRetardant5d ago
I support piracy but just be nitpicky, data theft is absolutely a thing, hackers do that all the time and you could argue piracy is somewhat data theft or intellectual property theft. Half the internet is up in arms about AI’s use of intellectual property without compensation or consent.
Show threadKeenFlame5d ago
Nope, up in arms about that they think they own it now
Show threadFireRetardant5d ago
So they claim to own it now when they didn’t own it before and they didn’t pay or otherwise compensate for it. That sounds an awful lot like theft
Show threadFizz5d ago
This is like the 1800s definition of theft. Its been updated but people keep repeating this over and over.