It's really really weird how the most unifying belief in the American left seems to have become "things are bad and I'm clever for saying so."

Like these days, it seems like in order to be taken seriously in a conversation, you have to believe that billions are going to die from climate collapse, nothing can be done about it, billions will be disabled by COVID, nothing can be done about it, and so on.

Where's the folk who are like, "actually, lets NOT start our political utopia with 'given the removal of the 99.99% of the population by forces beyond our control...'""

Like, I'm sorry, but isn't politics and such there so we can *avoid* getting shitstomped by externalities?

Going from a blind faith in full luxury automated space capitalism, to a blind faith that everyone is going to die except, somehow, you, who will instead be transformed by your hardships into a wonderful leader of men, is not *actually* the rejection of Christian narratives of progress and salvation that it might seem like, on its face.

I just... I hate it.

I was very very early to the "things are going to collapse" game, like, I was there when Greer coined "collapse now avoid the rush" on that forum...

...and it's absolutely wild watching folk who ignored that until it literally cost them a job or flooded their home now going "Hah! I knew it, I mean I argued against it, but I knew it! I was right! And now I'm poor, stressed, and right! Just like a good American should be, which means I'm finally ready to talk politics!"

And so folk who, a few years ago, implicitly believed that no one was going to be wiped out by climate change because Bill Gates was gonna fix it, are now the same folk screaming that Bill Gates is causing it, and like, okay.

Great, change your opinions as new facts come in. That truly is great.

But maybe, use those facts for like, deciding what to DO, not just how GOOD to feel about being RIGHT about people DYING?

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Personally it jsut sucks, I have put up with, for YEARS, being ostracized, mocked, literally physically beat up, by folk on the left, for saying "Hey, I think this 'hope' thing you cling to? Is actually going to be what gets you to do your most evil shit."

And now here I am, and folk have gone from "hope" to some wicked twisted negative version of it, and I'm *still* the bad guy for saying "maybe don't rely on hope..."

While at the same time, getting treated like an idiot for not accepting the deaths of billions of people as the necessary consequence of my culture growing up and getting enlightened?

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It's weird, because it's basically treating "solving problems" as a just, spend energy on finding solutions until the problem is solved, and any problem is solveable by spending enough energy on it. (In this case, the "energy" is the populations of the Global South <_<)

While at the same time, acting like spending energy trying to solve problems, rather than just identify them, is a stupid waste of time, like: literally look at how "trying to solve stuff" has become almost a dogwhistle for "evil billionaire".

Someone has an idea? Well, AI and crypto bros have ideas! Smart people only have *fear*

Given that, how the *fuck* are problems going to get solved any way except how energy is being spent to solve them: through death and your acceptance of that death because it's not YOUR death?

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It's just frustrating watching people with no real idea of the situation put themselves in charge because society gives them the resources to effectively say "no don't do that" to the people around them, and then point to how much worse shit gets for the people around them as evidence that they were so correct and smart to not try.

I get that you're disillusioned on space flights and weird chemistry and change, because the media has been slamming you with stories that everything ever was done by a cabal of pedophiles.

But the thing is, and anyone from outside the mainstream culture will tell you this: That's been true the whole time y'all have been changing shit, and up until quite recently, folk were of the opinion that penicillin and telecommunications were, on the whole, good things.

Now folk seem to thnk that if someone like Epstein even sat in on a meeting where someone asked how to deal with cholera, then we shouldn't move the town well further from the cemetary.

That's so weird! That's like, more hardcore primitivism than some of my anarcho-primitivist friends who literally live in the woods and pull their own teeth.

And it's the belief of people who spend all day earning digital money by moving pixels around on a computer screen!

And they believe it while showing up to places like Fediverse, because at the same time all technology is evil because only rich and famous people ever make technology (hey, can someone tell me the name of whoever made the wheel? or scythe?), it is also the only thing that can ever make things better?

But, of course, radical tech from people who are the bottom-rung of the powerful demographics, that's what makes things better, not supporting the like, many non-White folk who have tried and failed to develop Fediverse apps, but let's keep throwing money and cultural support behind... well, now it's not even a person is it, isn't Mastodon like literally a corporate entity, because the lead dev got tired of being called racist and transphobic for *checks notes* not caring that his technology was allowing people to target and harm folk?

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Anyway, this post is me being salty about folk who get paid by the people who make things shitty and then use the free time they have because they collaborate with fascism to get on the Web and do their part to convince everyone that everything is bad, no one should try, and the only way things ever get better is if you show up, do what your told, but feel bad about it and complain to your community later.

Because that is not radicalism, it is not helping, it is literally just taking up the space you *say* is for *literally any other type of discussion because you can get that other sort of discussion literally anywhere*.

I think folk like to dismiss it out-of-hand when I call American culture Christian and say that most Americans live highly Christian lives.

Like, yeah, sure, of course the Indigenous person thinks all white people act like Christians, right?

I actually have some pretty solid research that maps the overlap, and shows how American Leftism is basically just the Church but missing a few bits:

https://emsenn.net/library/sociology/domains/cybernetic-postliberalism/texts/describing-the-ecclesial-structure-of-leftist-critique/

The missing bits? What most of the American left constantly calls for: unity around hope of human progress.

I mean look at what last weekend was, and the resulting discourse: you're a Good Leftist if you went to NoKings, you're a Critical Leftist if you refrained (and Critical Leftists are Even Gooder Leftists), and if you didn't care about it at all? You're failing to keep up with the times and need to do your part to participate in the ongoing moment, or else you *lose the right to critique*!

Now that's pretty similar to what I knew being raised Catholic: you can gripe about going to Church, but if you don't show up, then you can't even know what you're griping about, so shut up!

Reminds me of the folk who will shout at felons for not supporting democracy by casting the vote they've been disenfranchised from.

And social media isn't like, incidental in this, and distributed social media isn't exempt.

https://emsenn.net/library/domains/humanities/domains/sociology/domains/cybernetic-postliberalism/texts/locating-the-origin-of-social-media-platforms-in-the-anglican-church/

There's legit an unbroken lineage of cultural governance that goes from those first Puritans making plans on their boats, to Californian research labs, to corporate grants for open-source software, to this post reaching you.

The Ecclesial Structure of Leftist Critique: The Church as Source, Patient, and Physician of the Achievement-Subject - emsenn.net

@emsenn My less-erudite view is that Christanity and the Roman Empire co-opted each other. The combination of a slavery-based economy and a sin-based worldview met the Enlightenment and gave us capitalism.

@beckett I've been digging as deep as I can into this shit and have actually been looking into cool research that looks *pre-agriculture*, to proto-paleolithic controlled burns, and I might suggest that a better view is to treat Roman and Christianity as two different complex math formula that came up out of the same initial formula, and only once more math was done were the results able to be reconcilled.

(It sounds metaphorical but I don't mean it that way, it's just very very distributed math where the calculators were folks grumbling tummies.)

But an important part of things, practically, is that there isn't much in our modern society that was in Roman culture and NOT in Christian culture, and there is a lot in our culture that was NOT in Roman culture but WAS in Christian culture. (This is something that's actually studied, academically.)

And so while Roman imperialism is a more standard reading, it is consistently shown to be less accurate, and the explanation for the reliance on Romanness as explanation might actually itself be a means of performing Christianity, showing that humans live with Godliness and State interwoven and *that* is what causes us pain.

@beckett I think I chickened out in the end here but I'm trying to say: "Well akshually, blaming our Roman inheritance for our issues is a fashy narrative used to protect Christianity as the cultural center," and was simply being polite because you disclosed your own lack of commitment to the idea from the start, lol.
@emsenn I'm more oriented to "fix the problem, not the blame" but I do enjoy understanding history to understand the problem.

@beckett But this presumes a correct understanding of "the problem" either way, and the question is simply, are we ready to fix it, or do we need to study it more.

I'm tremendously unsure I know what "the problem" is, and I spend a lot of time living with it.

If I treat the shape of the problem like a reflection being cast on the way by what the facts are, the shape changes a *lot* depending on what the facts are. If inverting causality and changing coordinates weren't meaningful, well, we'd all be timesoup.

And so I think you're being a little dismissive of how massive a change to things it can be, to flip the responsibility of Christianity or Romans, or whether to move the timeline back literally 8x longer into our species' history than that.

Pragmatically: you're conflating centuries of history to, again, affirm what is a known fascist narrative. Acts took place what, 40ce, and already affirms Christian generosity as subservient to local law. What you credit the council of Nicaea was actually a series of local laws throughout the 2nd century, and the council of nicaea wasn't about those at all, but about specifically father-son inheritance, and by that point the Church had bishops and dioseces and all that; nothing being dealt with was any sort of communalism; it was about asserting a more unified governance over the *already centralized* church governance, *not* individual communities.

This is a very very important historical distinction that is often misrepresented!

@beckett There's more nuance I didn't get to here, like, Jesus straightup got asked "so about paying taxes?"

And gave a dodge answer that implied "look, don't piss off the tax collector, we all see what happens" *literally gestures around at diasporaed peoples there around him*

The line from that, through Acts and such, to early Christian cult leaders telling their communities to stop paying taxes and instead give that money to the Church so it can hire its own militias to go fuck up the people it blames for their economic distress?

I think that might be a REALLY important line of politics to understand, y'know, given what we're going through today.

And, given the people who are doing the contemporary rhyme of that historic activity make a point of teaching themselves and their children literally the exact same misrepresentation of historical fact...

I think it shows very plainly: one easy way to "fix the problem," even before we know what it is, is to stop believing falsehoods, ourselves, about what really happened in a way that justifies the bad shit that happened, happening again.

@emsenn I appreciate the depth of your study.

Rather than naming the problem, what would you identify as the prevailing metaphors undermining us?

@beckett Great question! I'm not entirely sure how to express it cleanly, figuring it out is like, a whole chunk of my sociology stuff, but so far it seems to be about a general faith in like, the best thing a person can do is feel good about deferring their issues into the future. The term I have for the underlying metaphor is californication, which sounds hokey but I mean quite specifically.

But like... there's this seemingly strong belief that eveyrthing ultimatley can line up with this like, savior-slave narrative (that is very different than like, jesus' service-leadership schtick), and so all work is actually just about finding that narrative in the current work and figuring out how to apply it/go along with it.

Put simply: a general acceptance that Suffering is Good, while to experience Harm is Bad, so the people who feel the most without actually being destabilized by it are our saints.

@emsenn Human experience is this duality of Individual ("I am who I am and I am not you") and community ("This is us"). Both are equally valid, but the prevailing paradigm focuses entire on the Individual and discounts the Us. This leaves us concluding that "bad things happen to me because of me" (or, "a bad thing befalling you is your fault"). This leads to "good things happened to me so I am better than you."
Shit just happens. We need to return to "shit happened so how do we deal with it."
@beckett Yeah! And what sucks is folk who are tired of hating themselves often invert the logic, rather than step outside it, so end up believing bad stuff happens to them because *other* people are bad. Like so many folk believe in that sort of mortal moral consequence, they just kind pick a different subculture about which morals matter and how.

@emsenn
Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay the tax to Caesar or not?”

Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, “You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax.” They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?”

“Caesar’s,” they replied.

Then he said to them, “Fuck that guy, Taxes are a burden on the economy and stifle job creation!"