Mastodawn

I don't go in for a lot of the so-called #KurtzmanTrek hate online, because a lot of it has an unpleasant political smell to it, but...

If these people are still propagating the insane fallacy of the bridge of a starship having a WINDOW in the front, they're just irredeemably stupid. I don't give a rip how cool the visuals are. And yes, I obviously know about transparent aluminum... But NO.

#StarTrek #BraveNewWorlds

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Kevin C 🎬1d ago

@rl_dane
Didn't the Enterprise-E bridge have a window on the bridge in #Nemesis?

No, the Scimitar just happened to score a hit that tore through that bulkhead. But if you look at the scene on youtube and advance a frame at a time, you see the picture go staticky, then blank, and then the bulkhead tears open.

I had to go look it up. To be honest, I only saw that movie once (when it came out), and found it so utterly forgettable that I didn't even remember that Data died in it until I saw clips of it on YouTube a decade later. 🤷‍♂️ 😅

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Value Subtracted 22h ago

@kcarr2015 @rl_dane No, but the Enterprise-D had a friggin' skylight, but obviously that's okay because it was on TV when I was 12 years old.

@ValueSubtracted @kcarr2015

Well, it had what looked like a skylight. We didn't see any confirmation that it was an actual window (presumably of the transparent aluminum variety) until Generations. But it was relatively small, and decently far removed from personnel.

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Value Subtracted 22h ago

@rl_dane @kcarr2015 That seems like significant goalpost-moving. I suppose we could just as easily say that the newer shows have what LOOK LIKE windows but it's never really "confirmed" (whatever that means). I'm not sure how relative size is relevant, nor am I certain how "directly above the captain's head" qualifies as "far removed from personnel".

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Desert Square Gardener 1d ago

@rl_dane
Kinda like having a window on a submarine, no?

Quite. Or having a nice, huge, stained glass window on the side of a destroyer. 🤦‍♂️

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Desert Square Gardener 1d ago

@rl_dane instead of religious iconography on the stained glass, the various colors make out the letters, "LOCK PHASERS HERE."

I mean, as it is, it's kind of ridiculous to have the bridge of the ship in the extremity of the ship, although for backup purposes ("Geordie, look out the window and yell when you see the warbird!") it makes a little sense.

Also, the Enteprise D does technically have an actual window (although it's only shown to be a literal window in Generations, and I almost consider that silly movie apocryphal, but... XD ), but it's small and at the highest point of the bridge where it's least likely to blow someone out before the force field snaps on.

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Desert Square Gardener 21h ago

@rl_dane apocryphal movie elements? Kinda like Enterprise A having twice as many decks as Enterprise D? I've begun to rethink what is considered canon and what I consider canon.

Ha, no, not that apocryphal. I just don't much like Generations. It's still canon, though.

But yeah, there are a lot of details about the pre-TNG ships that are very vague and contradictory.

The YouTube channel "We Travel by Night" has a neat video trying to figure out whether the original NCC-1701's main engineering is in the saucer or engineering section, or if there are two engineerings. The clues are quite contradictory. XD

I think they also have a video about how the NCC-1701 REFIT and NCC-1701A simply don't have enough room in the "neck" to actually fit the warp engines. XD