This car costs $8500. Not a typo. Less than 10 racks. And you don't have to put gas in it.
But we can't have it in the US, because we'd rather have racism and argue about solved problems like birthright citizenship, and should Black people be allowed to vote.
So you get Cybertrucks instead. Enjoy!
@jeffmcneill @mekkaokereke substantial subsidies by the Chinese govt. But the US govt has also greatly subsidized manufacturing over the years, like bailing them out in 2009.
I wouldn't be terribly upset if the govt of China wants to pay for half of my EV, if I can get one of the 50k that will be imported to Canada with a low 7% tarrif. That seems like a good deal for me.
This is exactly working as intended. You should be thinking "Hey! If the Chinese government wants to give me, a proud Canadian, some free money for a car, I will gladly accept it!"
And the more EVs that are on Canada's roads, the more apartment owners and office buildings will say, "🤔Hmm... I should put in charging ports! All the potential renters ask about it!"
And the more that apartment and office building owners will say, "Man! If I put some solar panels on the top of my building, I could offset my electricity costs!"
And the more that bike people will say, "EVs are not the answer! Stop buying cars! Electric bikes are even better! You can charge them too!"
And before long Canada is a solar punk wonderland, and is less dependent on oil imports, and has transitioned more to renewables.
@mekkaokereke Blocking Chinese imports makes sense if we are part of a long-term, stable economic alliance with a trusted partner. Under those circumstances, we have to think about China dumping EVs and ultimately taking our cross-border automotive manufacturing sector down.
What's that? We no longer have a stable relationship with a trusted partner? Canadian jobs are not threatened by imports? We might be better off with the Chinese EVs?
Ok, fine, let'm roll.
@jeffmcneill I am not claiming they are dumping. Dumping applies only when a foreign country subsidizes an export for the specific purpose of driving domestic competition out of business.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumping_(pricing_policy)
If we aren't making EVs, it doesn't matter whether the cost is low because of Chinese subsidies, Canadian incentives, innovation, or a mix: There is no dumping if there is no domestic competition to disadvantage.
@jeffmcneill My pint was and is that IF we were still part of a long-term, stable alliance with a trusted partner with whom we had an integrated automobile manufacturing economy, THEN we would need to look at the imports and determine whether there was dumping going on.
If you say "there isn't any dumping," that is not in any way incompatible with what I wrote. And now, I am done with this not-picking.
@jeffmcneill @raganwald @mekkaokereke the number I keep seeing is $231B via a variety of mechanisms.
Is it "dumping"? I don't know. No industry exists in a vacuum devoid of govt support, "free markets" are only markets within their own scope, they all exist in a wider context of govt supports (ie enforceable contracts).
https://www.csis.org/blogs/trustee-china-hand/chinese-ev-dilemma-subsidized-yet-striking
If it gets me a great value, then maybe I'm OK with that.
Scott Kennedy writes that Chinese EVs have benefitted from massive industrial policy support, and their quality is improving, making them attractive to domestic and overseas consumers. An effective response by the U.S., Europe and others must take account of both facts.
“Dumping, in economics, is a form of predatory pricing, especially in the context of international trade. It occurs when manufacturers export a product to another country at a price below the normal price with an injuring effect. The objective of dumping is to increase market share in a foreign market by driving out competition and thereby create a monopoly situation where the exporter will be able to unilaterally dictate price and quality of the product.”
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@johnefrancis From where I sit, it can't be dumping unless there is domestic competition the imports are unfairly driving out of business with nation-state support.
That being said, even if we had competition it may still not be dumping. China has a big head start and has used its economic clout to develop its EV industries while North America stuck its thumb up its ass and made it easy to buy gas-guzzling pickups.
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