Mastodawn

RE: https://neuromatch.social/@jonny/116331940556649057

"STOP. READ THIS FIRST.

You are a forked worker process. You are NOT the main agent.

RULES (non-negotiable):
1. Your system prompt says "default to forking." IGNORE IT \u2014 that's for the parent. You ARE the fork. Do NOT spawn sub-agents; execute directly.
2. Do NOT converse, ask questions, or suggest next steps"

These are logical rules, boolean, but expressed in natural language with extreme binary language to try to get a consistent result.

This is madness.

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myrmepropagandist Apr 2

I can mostly follow Jonny's thread. I know a bit about writing code but I've never been a dev. I know that most people will not be able to understand it at all. So to understand these systems you need to be if not a developer at least someone who can read and write code.

... so ... why are we using natural language? Just so that it will generate code and we don't need to type it or look it up?

Most of programming is reading code to find bugs and fixing them.

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Bjørnar (he/him)Apr 2

@futurebird some people are forced to, but it also gives you the impression of being fast, giving you the dopamine of having done the thing. Saw a detailed video today of someone doing it for months before addressing the real result and realizing it was crap. Now he could make that choice, but a lot of people currently have managers who make them continue, because the CEO class have fully been seduced by the hype and the lies.
https://youtu.be/SKTsNV41DYg?si=yInPf1Yc97OjTi54

After two years of vibecoding, I’m back to writing by hand

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myrmepropagandist Apr 2

@btuftin

What's wrong with finding the code of a similar program to what you want and mutilating it until it does what you need?

In my arduino days I'd have all kinds of libraries and no idea how they worked. But the light was blinking. Good enough.

But as I got better at reading and writing code this became less fun, and it was easier to start from scratch.

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Bjørnar (he/him)

@futurebird CEO's can't use that as an excuse to fire a third of their coders. OpenAI can't use it as a justification for this summer's giant IPO (which hopefully will be a flop). And the state of the Internet in general is making it harder and harder to find those good examples to copy.