Artemis9h ago

So apparently today the thing that has me screaming is living in a society built on hurting kids.

Not just child sexual abuse.

Every kind of harm & exploitation.

Why am I not having kids? Well, one reason is that I feel like there are plenty of kids in the world *already* for me to worry about, & there will always be more.

Show threadLord Caramac the Clueless, KSC8h ago

@artemis I haven't got any children because I haven't got enough hope in the future of humankind. We're headed for the biggest civilisational collapse ever, and everyone who wanted to know always knew, at least after 1972 when the Club of Rome published Limits to Growth. I was born in 1975, and I became a science nerd as soon as I could read. In 1983 by the age of 8, I was well aware of the looming polycrisis towards which our civilisation was rushing at ever increasing speed. By the age of 15, I absolutely expected to see the beginning of the collapse in my lifetime. I'm 51 now, and I can see the signs of beginning collapse all over the world.

I have always been a weak and sickly person. Without modern medicine, I wouldn't have made it to my fifth birthday. It's not like I have any kind of chronical illness, I'm just a skinny person with a less than average immune system, so every infection hits me a little bit harder than most people. People like me still have a good chance of living a decent and long life within this modern civilisation, but I wouldn't last very long without it. Why should I have any children if I expect this civilisation to fail, to decline, to crumble to dust, rather soon? If I had any offspring, their chances of survival would probably be worse than average.

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@LordCaramac @artemis China's going to be down to 500 million by 2100 unless you're assuming cloning will become popular or so.

Africa will likely inherit the world due to lack of interest in civilization continuance in the west.
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Show threadLord Caramac the Clueless, KSC8h ago
@nom @artemis I suppose our numbers will plummet in the second half of this century due to multidimensional ecological breakdown (climate chaos, pollution, environmental destruction, species extinction, etc.), and it doesn't matter who survives, where they come from, what remains of the human population will be moving all over the planet since so much land will become uninhabitable. No currently existing civilisation will survive the coming chaos, but if our species manages to survive, there may be new civilisations in the future. Then again, maybe the age of civilisation (the Holocene) is over, and future humans will just be a bunch of simple tribes like in Palaeolithic times.
Show threadLord Caramac the Clueless, KSC7h ago
@nom @artemis Besides, I think our entire Western civilisation is fundamentally wrong in so many ways that it cannot continue very much longer, it will inevitably collapse rather soon, and it _shouldn't_ even continue if it could. Our entire way of thinking about the world and our place in it as humans is completely bonkers and leads to all kinds of ecologically unsustainable behaviour. We don't understand that we are but upright walking storytelling apes, and that we are just part of the fauna like all other animals. We don't live in our ecosystems as part of the local ecosystem, we live in our artificial bubble worlds outside the real living world. We have been brainwashed by Christianity, a religion more concerned about a fictitious afterlife than about being a living, breathing, eating, drinking, dancing, singing, fucking, and eventually dying, part of the biosphere. We aren't here for any specific purpose other than to be alive, just like the ants and the moss beneath our feet, like the trees and the birds and the mushrooms and the fish and the beetles and everything else. By moving away from the living world into highly artificial surroundings, we forget that we aren't the masters of this world but just a bunch of extremely clever upright apes with big swollen mutant brains.
Show threadMaxtux7h ago
@nom @LordCaramac @artemis
Vediamo solo la popolazione dell'Africa...non le ricchezze che prima noi europei abbiamo razziato, e che poi cina e Russia hanno continuato.
USA? Beh. Credo che non sarà difficile fare scoppiare le guerre..
Show threadatopoeia-o6h ago
@Maxtux @LordCaramac @artemis Thanks for Moto Guzzi! (an attempt to reply with a kind comment)