Cheetah Fluff12h ago
Why do people recommend Jojo's when it's so slow paced and bad? Like Dio is an asshole and he's fun to watch, but that's about it for me. Nothing happens. It's just action figures going bonk, and the author doesn't even provide any groin based bonking.

But like it's just a guy and another guy! And the one guy punches the other guy. And sometimes it gets weird like with the little guy in the other guy's ear and a third guy has to punch him reeeeeeally carefully, but. It's just plot. It's just things happening. Do people care about the things happening? Is it supposed to be funny?

What do people see in this show??? 
Show threadNaClKnight 🧂⚔️🥊

@CheetahFluff

Ok, as a certified JoJo enjoyer, i can't make anyone else like it but i can explain why i do.

Jojo casts vary enough that i have definite favorites (Part 4 - Diamond is Unbreakable and Part - Stone Ocean).

In my favorite seasons, the humor is irreverent and the powers are interesting. Good Jojo fights have this "kids in a sandbox" quality to them where the powers are made up but they are consistent and you're arguing over who has the most creative application of a simple power. At its best they feel like detective cases or logic puzzles.

Kira in Part 4 has a very fun "if then" condition that creates excellent tension.

Josuke and Jotaro both have clear win conditions (Get close enough to punch the shit out of someone) but have to navigate the environment and the opponent's powers first, usually under extreme duress. Their friends help in real tangible ways that keep it from feeling like only JoJo gets to be cool.

The monster of the week format ensures that the whole team gets to do a cool. The designs are flamboyant and ridiculous in a way that lampoons masculinity. Everything is exaggerated. Everyone is exaggerated.

I like the designs and the powers and the bombast and the irreverence and so JoJoBA largely works for me. I think Stardust Crusaders is a low point in the series to me because it feels more like ab 80s action movie played straight and it has a villain of the week series in the desert that feels like it goes on FOREVER.

Like i said, i can't make anyone else like it but i can explain Why i do. I'm gonna check w my wife and see if she has any points i missed.

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Show threadCheetah Fluff11h ago
@NaClKnight This is exactly what I was looking for! Thank you!  
I had a good laugh reading that, honestly.

Some other people here have said Stardust Crusaders is a low point as well. I had a friend say that was the best arc, and it was the only arc name I recognized when I went into the show, so I thought it was just the famous, good arc. It was rough. I did like the outfits and designs and how standoffish Jotaro was. There are parts of the show that work, and the new seasonal cast with some leftovers was the thing I enjoyed most. Monster of the week and season of the... generation, I guess, haha.

Len said earlier that if we get terribly ill again, maybe we should just skip to arc 4, and after reading this, I think that's just what we'll do. Since everyone is saying I dropped in the low part, I might as well give it a shot when it's doing better.

Thanks for the thoughts!
Show threadNaClKnight 🧂⚔️🥊10h ago

@CheetahFluff I'm glad that conveyed the appeal. Jotaro and Jospeh both are supporting cast members in Part 4, but Jotaro there works great as the serious straight man among a cast of delinquent high schoolers and an old man.

Stardust Crusaders is the most famous arc because it's where the series debuted its "Stands" concept, and because Dio is great. Before Part 3 they use an entirely different power called Harmon that isn't nearly as creative or fun.

Stardust Crusaders is also the straightest, least transgressive arc with the simplest powers. I think 4 is tonally distant enough that i appreciate you and @len being willing to give it a try.

I will warn that it's not till Part 5 that the show gets its first full time female cast member, and Part 6 has a female lead and mostly female team. But Part 4 is distinctly less "cool dudebro" than Stardust Crusaders

Show threadyelling jackal11h ago
@NaClKnight @CheetahFluff that desert thing was where we bailed, not even being sick and having nothing else to do could save that. It felt exactly as you describe it  

This is exactly answering what I was wondering, though, and I think we'll have to give it a go starting from part 4! (Stardust Crusaders will be left in the dust. I don't want to watch 80s He-Man.)