I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review.

okay. fine, I guess.

but if we are rejecting dependencies that use AI tooling, where do we go?

seriously. where do we go?

if the Linux kernel is using AI tools for codegen, then where do we go?

FreeBSD? I would put money on it that they use AI tools.

OpenBSD? NetBSD? HURD?

do we hard fork every dependency that is now tainted? do we even have the resources to do it?

FreeBSD and Illumos are the only ones reasonably close in the tech tree and I suspect both use AI tools too, as their development, like Linux, is driven by capital.

@ariadne well, as a developer who has been writing linux kernel code since back in about 2001 or so (actually I think it was something alsa/bluetooth related so probably user space at that point, but … I remember digging deep) - I don’t think it’s feasible to continue OSS without making use of gen AI in development.

Its like saying we can’t use C, everything has to be ASM.

That doesn’t mean developers don’t need to read or understand the code anymore before committing. But a hard ban? Idk.

@distractions why is it infeasible to continue OSS without using GenAI?

that seems like an absolutely *wild* claim.

@ariadne well, because the world already has been changed. That’s a historic hard fact. Pretending it hasn’t won’t stop the wheel from turning. Anyone can set up a new project on GitHub (or CodeBerg for that matter) and put anything up there, and if it somehow does the trick, people won’t care how it does. It’s sad, but that’s how things progress.

I believe it more worthwhile to harden our processes **around** and with gAI, not against it. Because the train will roll.

@distractions
this is the same carryon claiming its inevitable. this is functionally the same as saying bitcoin and its various scams are "hard historic fact[s]" as if to ignore the reality that one can reject it outright because of its negative externalities.

@ariadne

@zardoz03 @ariadne time will tell. But it’s pretty obvious that even in case the AI bubble bursts and take every of those crazy people with them - which I personally would prefer - local models will still be able to code faster then… well, me for example.
@distractions @zardoz03 @ariadne are the local models in the room with us right now? No? Didn't think so. Absolutely absurdly hill to die on.