Ariadne Conill 🐰11h ago

I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review.

okay. fine, I guess.

but if we are rejecting dependencies that use AI tooling, where do we go?

seriously. where do we go?

if the Linux kernel is using AI tools for codegen, then where do we go?

FreeBSD? I would put money on it that they use AI tools.

OpenBSD? NetBSD? HURD?

do we hard fork every dependency that is now tainted? do we even have the resources to do it?

FreeBSD and Illumos are the only ones reasonably close in the tech tree and I suspect both use AI tools too, as their development, like Linux, is driven by capital.

Show threadHaelwenn /элвэн/ 11h ago
@ariadne This one is all wack when like what 3~6 months ago there was a pro-systemd jerk being like "anti-systemd are all facists!"

Also yeah in terms of alternatives it's not great, so far I'm stuck with reducing as much as possible and planning to have more stuff like Plan9.
(Also pretty sure Hurd got LLM-tainted)
Show threadsam10h ago

@lanodan @ariadne re Hurd: I only saw one person doing some LLM review (not of submitted patches but they took it upon themselves to submit its findings), I don't consider that tainted and I don't think it's some sort of official effort or anything, even if I don't like it.

systemd embracing it with a CLAUDE.md, using it in all PRs, commits co-authored-by it etc is different.

Show threadbluca10h ago

@thesamesam @lanodan @ariadne

Hurd using LLMs for reviews: perfectly ok
systemd using LLMs for reviews: TAINTED

DId I get this right?

Show threadsam10h ago

@bluca @lanodan @ariadne Someone deciding to send ML output a handful of times an ML is different from it being an established part of the project, sure.

(I also didn't say "perfectly ok", it's just that it's clearly different, even if one does or doesn't like it?)

Show threadbluca9h ago
@thesamesam @lanodan @ariadne gotcha, rules for thee but not for me
Show threadsam9h ago

@bluca @lanodan @ariadne If a contributor had copilot review their PR for systemd but systemd didn't have it as part of CI or as some regular part of contribution, I'd say the same thing.

But I'm not even making rules! I'm pointing out a distinction?

Show threadbluca
@thesamesam @lanodan @ariadne and I'm pointing out that the distinction is specious and a glaring case of double standards. Everyone uses who uses these tools does so in different ways, and you don't get to do moral grandstanding just because you arbitrarily drew a line in the sand where it's most convenient for you, and not a millimeter further. Doesn't work that way, sorry
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