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Viking_Hippie 5d ago

LA Olympics will be first to impose IOC's ban on trans athletes from women's sports

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/66132704

LA Olympics will be first to impose IOC's ban on trans athletes from women's sports - Divisions by zero

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/66087691 [https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/66087691] > >The International Olympic Committee will prohibit transgender athletes from participating in women’s sports, starting at the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles. > > >The new policy, approved by the IOC’s executive committee Thursday, requires all athletes to undergo a genetic test to compete in women’s sporting events at the Olympics.

Is this even controversial? There’s a reason men and women sports were separated to begin with.

The reasons we separate sports by gender are and have always been stupid

greyscale 5d ago

You’d think it’d be by weight or some other performance metric with women dominating at the lighter end of the spectrum.

Amnesigenic 5d ago

Height & weight would make more sense, yeah

Ilovethebomb 4d ago

People tend to take up sports they’re suited to though, and nobody wants to watch a bunch of shortasses doing a sport badly. At least not at the Olympics.

Amnesigenic 4d ago

Basing the rules of competetive sports on what the audience wants is fucking moronic, make the rules fair and logical and if the viewers don’t like it they can get off the couch and go play sports about it

Ilovethebomb 4d ago

You do understand that professional sport relies on sponsorship, which in turn relies on people watching?

Amnesigenic 4d ago

People will watch it either way, sponsors will pay either way, you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about

Ilovethebomb 4d ago

You’re making a lot of outlandish claims with no proof bud.

There’s a lot of competition for watch time these days.

Amnesigenic 4d ago

Lol pure projection, try harder

There are smaller amd lighter men. They will be stronger and faster than equally sized or even slightly larger women of similar body sizes. The body simply grows differently.

Amnesigenic 4d ago

Anything’s possible when you make shit up

Skankhunt420 4d ago

What’s your source that its made up?

Because the same exact medical science that gives you HRT is supporting what he is saying.

Source: pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3189615/

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Amnesigenic 4d ago

Nothing in this agrees with what you’re saying, you are either genuinely illiterate or a profoundly incompetent liar, embarassing either way

Ilovethebomb 4d ago

They do exactly this in boxing, and probably other fighting sports.

The thing is, people tend to take up sports their body type is suited to, so short people don’t tend to play a sport where being tall is an advantage for long.

Amnesigenic 4d ago

Short people don’t generally play basketball because nobody organizes leagues into separate categories by height, if you did they would

Ilovethebomb 4d ago

Sure bud.

Amnesigenic 4d ago

Good one

galaxy_nova 5d ago

Probably will be downvoted into oblivion but I’m going to disagree with you. The trans argument is a separate one but having some sex separated sports absolutely makes sense. There are undeniable biological differences physically between biological males and females. Height and weight class would make 0 sense because bone and muscle density is still different, and distributed differently as an aggregate. I think most people who say this stuff don’t actually play sports.

Miles O'Brien 5d ago

bone and muscle density is still different, and distributed differently

I think people who say things like this don’t actually know any post- or even mid-transition people.

galaxy_nova 5d ago

I don’t think you actually read my comment fully or you would know that I wasn’t talking about trans athletes at all really. Respectfully read carefully before having a knee jerk reaction. Also for the record (although the I have {insert marginalized group here} friends card is stupid) one of my closest friends in college who was alsomy roommate was trans…

Amnesigenic 5d ago

Dumb

Amnesigenic 5d ago

You’re gonna be downvoted because you’ve put zero thought or effort into your argument. There are undeniable physical differences between humans regardless of dominant sex hormone, separating sports by gender necessarily forces members of both groups to compete against people that they don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of beating. Tall women have a massive advantage over short men and short women, the smart thing to do is let people compete with other people that are actually physically comparable. Tiny men vs tiny women is fair, giant women vs giant men is fair. The bone/muscle density thing is bullshit, simple as.

Ilovethebomb 4d ago

The second half of that really sounds like a kink thing.

Amnesigenic 4d ago

Weird thing to say/think

Skankhunt420 4d ago

Do you have a source about the bone/muscle density thing being bullshit?

I noticed you told another commentor “anything is possible when you make shit up” so we really should be backing things we say up with sources in that case, right?

Amnesigenic 4d ago

Do you have a source for it being true? Nobody else here does

Skankhunt420 4d ago

Yes in provided you multiple sources in other comments.

I notice you haven’t provided a SINGLE ONE.

Amnesigenic 4d ago

You want a source proving that women can compete with comparably sized men? Here, cry about it

Jackass: The Movie - Kickboxer (Ass kicked by girl)

YouTube

Skankhunt420 4d ago

Ah yes a highly trained professional athlete beating up a guy who drinks and does drugs for the entire series.

This makes all the scientific papers cited not true?

Amnesigenic 4d ago

Professional athlete vs professional athlete, drinking in his free time doesn’t change that, the “scientific papers” you’re pushing were always bullshit

Ilovethebomb 4d ago

This site is absolutely cooked sometimes.

In most sports, men have an advantage due to physical size, it’s why sports often have a women’s and an open category.

Creating meaningful competition is why we have these categories.

Amnesigenic 4d ago

Advantage based on physical size is resolved by separating competitors based on size, not gender, fucking duh

Skankhunt420 4d ago

Except that studies show that outof men and women of the same exact size women are 52% as strong as men in the upper body and 66% as strong as men in the lower body.

Source: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37772882/

The Biological Basis of Sex Differences in Athletic Performance: Consensus Statement for the American College of Sports Medicine - PubMed

Biological sex is a primary determinant of athletic performance because of fundamental sex differences in anatomy and physiology dictated by sex chromosomes and sex hormones. Adult men are typically stronger, more powerful, and faster than women of similar age and training status. Thus, for athletic …

PubMed

Ilovethebomb 4d ago

He’s from ML, poor chap. Facts just confuse them.

Amnesigenic 4d ago

Learn to read

Skankhunt420 4d ago

Oh yeah I love when they get all frustrated when you cite sources and then just tell you your sources are dogshit and then never provide one single source themselves.

Not even a half baked attempt at a source. Not even a source from someones personal blog or a YouTube video or a tiktok which of course are all terrible sources but they can’t even produce THAT! its wild to see.

No joke, after I typed this the person linked a YouTube clip from Jackass as their source. Lmfao

Edit: Now he’s accusing me of running your account as an alt. That’s like dangerous levels of delusion. This person is actually mentally unwell.

Amnesigenic 4d ago

You’re losing and you know it

Skankhunt420 4d ago

By you posting a YouTube video and telling me all scientificly cited sources are bullshit?

Oh yeah you showed me, that you are a dense person who doesn’t listen to science.

Amnesigenic 3d ago

Lol try harder halfwit

Amnesigenic 4d ago

The link you posted doesn’t say anything you’re claiming, you’re bad at this

Skankhunt420 4d ago

Thus, for athletic events and sports relying on endurance, muscle strength, speed, and power, males typically outperform females by 10%-30% depending on the requirements of the event.

Here’s the source that has the exact measurements for upper and lower body differences which is the one I referenced in the original comment

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8477683/

Its ok to disagree with the reality to that if you want to. But it isn’t ok to accuse others of “making shit up” when it is you who is making shit up. I haven’t seen you cite one single source

Gender differences in strength and muscle fiber characteristics - PubMed

Strength and muscle characteristics were examined in biceps brachii and vastus lateralis of eight men and eight women. Measurements included motor unit number, size and activation and voluntary strength of the elbow flexors and knee extensors. Fiber areas and type were determined from needle biopsie …

PubMed

Amnesigenic 4d ago

Sample size of 16 lol, you fucking moron

Skankhunt420 4d ago

So if those results are apparent even from as low as 8 men and 8 women what makes you think that gives it any less weight or makes it any less true?

Also, the other sources have a larger sample size and all say the same thing.

Man as long as it took you to type out “you fucking moron” in response to me you could have already cited a source!

We are in the interest of not “making shit up” after all aren’t we?

Amnesigenic 4d ago

You are scientifically illiterate, your source is dogshit, you are doing a better job of destroying your own credibility better than I could ever hope to. Thank you!

Skankhunt420 4d ago

So, no source from the guy accusing people of “making up bullshit”?

I figured that would be the case.

Also calling pubmed a bad source is laughable, let me guess you are probably an anti vaxxer as well. Shocked I tell you. Shocked.

Amnesigenic 4d ago

You want a source proving that women can compete with comparably sized men? Here, cry about it

Jackass: The Movie - Kickboxer (Ass kicked by girl)

YouTube

Skankhunt420 4d ago

I knew it was going to be a YouTube video!! Omg I straight up just said this to another commenter.

Also this woman is highly trained and skilled of course she got his ass.

Do you have a scientific source that proves anything you are saying?

Oh god if the next one is a tiktok video then I’m 2 for 2.

“Your source is dogshit” provides a source from a show literally called Jackass

Amnesigenic 4d ago

If a youtube video of a Jackass bit is all it takes to make you look like an idiot then you should probably reconsider your position lol, seeing incontrovertible video evidence of the thing you’re claiming isn’t possible tends to do that to reasonable people

Skankhunt420 4d ago

Hahahahaha. Ok

Amnesigenic 4d ago

Yep, your lazy attempts to justify your transphobic bullshit have failed, you may now tuck tail and fuck off

Skankhunt420 4d ago

No dude you have just proven that you won’t listen to science and I’m also not teansphobic but facts is facts, people born male have more bone mass and muscle mass than women even after HRT.

So yeah I want my daughter to grow up playing with other girls. Fuck me for that right?

Also no all you’ve done is bitch about every scientific source and provide a YouTube video with two people and bitch about how the scientific paper only had 16 people.

All you’ve done is prove that you are not going to listen to facts so there’s no reason providing you more because I’ve sourced citations for all my claims.

You provided a YouTube video from jackass. Marvelous work. How many times does that get cited in scientific literature?

You’ll listen to pubmed about HRT but then anything else that makes you realize uncomfortable truths that you lie to yourself about you stick tour head in the sand, say they arent a reliable source and use YouTube videos to further your echo chamber of opinions.

But since we’re ignoring scientific backed articles that the entire world agrees with, here’s videos of transition athletes absolutely dominating the sports they went into. Again, because of the difference in muscle mass and other factors that I have clearly sourced and cited

m.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z-GxgnjdG8

Five Times Trans Athletes Beat Thousands Of Women In Their Sports

YouTube

Amnesigenic 4d ago

Lol try harder halfwit

Skankhunt420 4d ago

I’m gonna agree with the other guy, facts really do seem to confuse you.

Amnesigenic 4d ago

“The other guy” you mean your alt lol, no shit sherlock

Skankhunt420 4d ago

Lmfao you are delusional if you think that’s my account.

Amnesigenic 4d ago

You are identically stupid about the same topic in the same place at the same time, even if you’re telling the truth nobody with half a brain will believe you or care