BeepMe watching someone on Lemmy getting cooked for having the same opinion as me:
MultiplexerNa, I go full in and make clear that this someone is not alone.
I mean, on a Karma-free platform I don’t have to do anything to conform to the mainstream.
Sometimes it even triggers a honest discussion.
TʜᴇʀᴀᴘʏGⒶʀʏ⁽ᵗʰᵉʸ‘ᵗʰᵉᵐ⁾I misread this as “Kamala-free platform”
silverIf only!
There’s still a bunch of lemmings evoking her every time the fascist kakistocracy of the US does something awful, in order to dunk on anyone who’s ever criticized the DNC leadership from the left.
Plus she hasn’t ruled out running again in 2028, so if the fascists let that election happen, she and her abominable Khive will probably be depressingly relevant and maddeningly omnipresent again 😮💨
BeigeAgendaKamela or Gavin would no doubt be better than the next republican candidate, but I’m not sure they would do many needed changes for the people and most likely use kid gloves on the current regime, not to rock the boat.
And then they will enable the next republican regime to finish the job trump stated.
What did I miss?
I misread this as “Kamala-free platform”
Oh sorry, obviously a typo on my site.
Naturally I meant “Karamell-free platform”.
Gotta take care of your dental health!
Mmmm karamells…
Read this in Homer’s voice
We must maintain homogeneous social cohesion at any cost, I don’t care how many feelings I hurt along the way
Baŝto
AxolotlAlan Turing was a gay genius
Or trans-genius.
Sometimes it even triggers an honest discussion.
In my experience, that’s what tends to happen in more traditional forums.
Voting systems are great for threads where the discussions is about problem with an objective solution, but for more subjective topics it just kills discussions.
I recommend anyone that used to be a lot on Reddit, here on Lemmy and/or other forums with karma systems to try out forums without them. Trust me you’ll notice the difference.
Niche forums with small communities tend to be best, and a lot less toxic.
Niche forums with small communities tend to be best, and a lot less toxic.
This has a lot more to do with small self selecting groups to already be on the same page and know each other enough to give each other the benefit of the doubt that they are discussing in other good faith. Not always true, but far more likely simply by being a smaller group
Reddit and other threaded formats allow for easier replies in large groups, which does mean that is less likely and it is more likely to argue with as random user with a significant lack of trust.
Yup you’re right. That last part was more of an addendum for those that consider trying to find new forums.
Obviously, the voting system is only one part of the story. It by itself won’t dictate if a community will be healthy or toxic; other things like the community culture and mods will have a heavier impact. But in my experience, in all the places I’ve been in, the voting system is one of the ingredients that does have an effect on the cake overall.
I hope I never find a community that bans users simply because a post/comment they made had too low of a score.
explodicleYou’ll be better off without them. We’ve seen where that practice leads.
Even on a karma platform, I didn’t care. I always used to make fun of people on reddit for deleting a post just because it was heavily downvoted. But then… eventually it wasn’t enough for people to dogpile downvotes, they had to start reporting posts they disagreed with. And the mod teams, who had eventually also gone to shit, didn’t delete the posts but instead would ban you from the sub. At that point, deleting your own post because of downvotes seemed entirely reasonable and I even started doing it myself.
It is weird how much importance people put on karma. Even I have to admit it felt good when I’d see my posts and comments upvoted but I never once cared for my aggregated karma.
That’s because in the minds of those people, karma was tied to emotional validation ie. self-worth they are incapable of giving to themselves rather than obtaining from others lol
Some subreddits had karma requirements to let you post.
Also it was displayed prominently on your profile, triggering unconsious dick-size-comparison-like behaviour and related protective tendencies towards your karma stats.
Karma is just a means to exploit perceived peer pressure to reinforce desired behavior and change how people think. The desired behavior from the perspective of the platform isn’t limited to engagement. There are more subtle forms of monetization, such as propoganda and “peer”-to-peer advertising.
And then sometimes, just sometimes… It’s fuck it. I’m getting in the ring
Everyone gets to express their opinion. As long as you are honest and polite it’s fine. If others choose to be impolite then fuck em.
What if someone is a nazi. Should we be polite ?
LumidaubFor those who may be confused:
A nazi is an ideology that is used as an identity. The ideology is made up of a group of identical opinions. Some people may share an opinion with the nazi, but if they shade no others then we really should be polite to at least find out if they’re a closeted nazi.
MacN'CheezusA nazi is an ideology that is used as an identity. The ideology is made up of a group of identical opinions.
That is so generic that it applies to every single ideology ever. By this definition, someone who identifies as LGBT is a Nazi.
SamskaraPeople are called Nazis here espousing views that are mainstream in the US Democratic Party.
Herbal GamerAnd that’s the problem of the US Democratic Party.
SchmooI guess it depends on whether they’re referring to elected officials or the electorate, because support for the genocide is only mainstream among elected officials and not the electorate.
But they could also be referring to border policy, which is a little less straightforward, as a lot of the Democratic electorate still has some reactionary views on the border and immigration as a result of candidates and elected officials refusing to offer a counter-narrative to the “border crisis.”
The electorate supports genocide by electing these officials.
When most of the AIPAC candidates were elected the electorate was largely ignorant of Israel-Palestine.
Do you think the electorate is still ignorant of it? If not, do you think they’ll vote for anti genocide representatives this year?
They’re not - or at least no one can reasonably claim ignorance now - and they have already voted for anti-genocide representatives in special elections and primaries thus far. It won’t be a wipeout across the board, but AIPAC will lose their stranglehold on US politics this primary season and they know it. They’ve been doing damage control rather than trying to get pro-Israel candidates elected recently.
Not saying you can’t strongly disagree. It is possible to tell someone to go to hell politely.
being a nazi is not being polite
This is going to be more and more common as the US elections near.
Bots and agents will be attempting to push their agendas, drowning out anything else and trying to make their point seem like the mainstream opinions.
the US is still having elections?
Elections are compromised, and the fact that they are working tirelessly to both compromise them further and disenfranchise voters shows they know they are so totally and completely hated that they still need to astroturf social media to bully their ideology into the mainstream, on top of intimidating those with followings that do speak out.