There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. (Yeah, I know …)

I’m going to write here my thoughts on a general impression of the comment thread as a whole. (Rather than respond to individuals.)

(This thread reflects only my own views and not those of the remainder of the Codeberg presidium, board – nor (most importantly) does it reflect the views of the members of Codeberg as a whole, who ultimately make the decisions.)

To begin by addressing what seemed to be a misconception underlying a lot of the comments:

Codeberg, the website, does not aim to replace GitHub. We poke fun at their recent foibles in our PR sometimes, but we do not want to become them.

We do not want to replace one single point of failure with another! (Admittedly, I think Codeberg.org, run by a non-profit, as SPOF would be better than GitHub.com, run by Microsoft, as an SPOF, but that’s not the goal!)

We are much more excited by the idea of creating an ecosystem of forges (and different forge software) than in becoming the new one place where absolutely everything is hosted.

I am, for example, very pleased that even while switching to Forgejo, Fedora decided to keep on self-hosting rather than jumping to us.

To be clear, we’re open for everyone who needs us, especially individuals working on their own smaller projects. But other forges are our friends, not our competition

Forge federation is something we’re actively pushing for because of this. Full federation support is still a few years ahead of us, probably, but you can already set up your own forge in a way that minimizes inconvenience to users by using Codeberg as a single sign-on provider for a self-hosted forge.

https://git.madhouse-project.org/, which hosts the Iocaine project, is a great example of this. If you set up Codeberg as SSO for your own site, almost all of our content rules are irrelevant to you.

(If someone’s forge were hosting completely objectionable, hateful content we might choose to turn their OAuth support off. But, for example, you can have as many private and non-free repositories as you like that way. More on that in a bit though …)

(Furthermore, this thread reflects only my own views and not those of the remainder of the Codeberg presidium, board – nor (most importantly) does it reflect the views of the members of Codeberg as a whole, who ultimately make the decisions.)

Apart from that, many people listed things that GitHub provides for free which Codeberg doesn’t provide or requires self-hosting for. The biggest one was CI, but there were other things too.

And I think the only way I can respond to that is by talking about the fundamentally different organizational models that GitHub and Codeberg have – not to plead on our smaller size, but to plead on principles.

@dpk
CI is definitely a big reason for GH.
Especially (free) builds on/for macOS are something I couldn't setup myself (at reasonable cost).

Another problem is that even third-party CI hosters like CircleCI or CirrusCI or Travis AFAIK don't work with Codeberg (or Forgejo in general). Obviously that's not Codebergs/Forgejos fault, but it's something that so far has kept me at Github :-/

@Doomed_Daniel @dpk Windows and MacOS builders are the reason why a single project of mine is staying at GitHub: In a sense, they pay for my project's presence with the capability of building binary wheels for all platforms.
Kind of an OK deal as long as they don't raise my pain level too far, especially as currently I don't know any platform to which I could go for that.
@chrysn @dpk
TBH the pain level is pretty high already.
All those posts hidden behind "Load more…" buttons in longer issues or PR discussions really annoy me - especially in combination with that idiotic "images become invalid after 5 minutes" issue (WTF) and often poor general performance

@chrysn @dpk
A completely different thing is: I have thought about hosting a Forgejo instance myself for source ports, open source games and such. Not a private instance, but much smaller scale than Codeberg.

But as I live in Germany I fear that I'll have to pay for cease-and-desist orders (Abmahnung) in case someone feels their rights violated by reverse-engineered reimplementations of their games or whatever...

@chrysn @dpk
I'm just one guy, not a corporation or at least association, I can't afford legal issues like that :-/

(of course a very German problem, in other countries you could probably react to a C&D by taking down the repo in question without having to pay anyone anything. Also not optimal esp. if the claims are dubious, but much smaller risk)