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For almost two years, users searching for Organic Maps on F-Droid have been unable to install the app due to a bug (or due to someone's deliberate choice?).
Many users have reported this issue to us. They do not understand why it happens. The bug is still there, and F-Droid maintainers don't care: https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fdroidclient/-/work_items/2850

@organicmaps I had no problems on Lineage using FDroid nor on /e/OS AppLounge that also uses FDroid repo as far as I know...

♿ 🏳️‍🌈 La pantera roja 1d ago

@organicmaps I use Neostore, and can find the app without issues.

(Uninstalled to try the search).

@organicmaps I installed it through f-droid and I get regular updates.

cocolino 1d ago

@organicmaps Can't reproduce

Organic Maps 1d ago

@cocolino You enabled that checkbox in settings, contrary to many F-Droid users who have this checkbox disabled.

cocolino 1d ago

@organicmaps For me the checkbox was ticked by default 🤷‍♂️. Organic Maps is very beautiful by the way, I use it every day 🙇

Kalle Kniivilä 1d ago

@organicmaps Seriously? I never have had any problems.

🤔

I don't think it is a bug - the answer is included in your screenshot

"Some results were hidden based on your antifeature settings"

According to fdroid, Organic Maps has some antifeatures, as can be seen in this screenshot.

I still use Organic Maps every day and I love your project. thanks for your work :)

Organic Maps 1d ago

@snue We tested with many people. This message misleads users. Nobody we asked was able to install OM without our explanation on how to disable this unclear hint in settings. The impression was "Organic Maps was not found".

I agree with you - I think the way Fdroid handles "antifeatures" could be better :)

Fossman 22h ago

@organicmaps @snue Trying to understand the actualy issue here: Are you saying that:

1) @fdroidorg mislabelled OM with the one or both of the Anti-feature labels?
2) You disagree with @fdroidorg that one or both of the labels should be classified as an Anti-feature in the first place?
3) Users should be allowed on F-droid installation to pick which "Anti-features" they want to disabled?
4) Something else?

Specifically, are you saying that the mwm maps files are licensed under a Free license?

I think the network "Anti-feature" can be avoided by making the download instance selectable or having a blank textbox where users can enter an alternative server or cdn instead of the OM one?

Or are you opposed to doing that and want users to be tied to #OrganicMaps servers?

I see also that the #CoMaps fork does not have either of these two "Anti-feature" labels applied? Hey @CoMaps how did you escape those two labels - would honestly like to know.

Btw, I love Organic Maps and use it on Linux Mobile. I'm hope that this issue will be resolved so you can perhaps focus on the desktop version :) Flathub does not hide OM btw!

#Fdroid #Antifeature #Antifeatures

Matthias R. Koch 1d ago

No problem on searching, finding and installing on F-Droid.

Organic Maps is marked with attached security advice, so if users configure strict matching they probably can't proceed...

Organic Maps 1d ago

@manankanchu it works for you, because you have changed that setting.

BTW, F-Droid deliberately misinforms users by labeling Organic Maps as such:
1. Our binary files are free assets and can be used by anyone. They are under a FOSS license that requires proper attribution.
2. The fact that the app downloads its maps from the app's CDN does not make the app "bad".

But that's another story/narrative pushed towards OM by some of the F-Droid guys.

Let's focus now on the installation issue.

Fossman 22h ago

@organicmaps @manankanchu
1. Which license are the compiled binary files available under? Is it a case of "open" but not "free" (as in freedom)?
2. I agree it doesn't make it "bad" but that's not what the label says : ) Still, you should be able to solve this easily if you want by letting people use a different server/cdn. You don't have to agree with it as I'm sure you don't agree with all Google Play and Apple Store rules.

Organic Maps 12h ago

@opensourceopenmind @manankanchu Binary data is free; it contains data from many sources with different licenses that require a proper attribution (OSM, Wikipedia, etc.). It is not something that OM invented. Calling it non-free is a plain lie to F-Droid users. Please check it yourself: https://github.com/organicmaps/organicmaps/blob/master/DATA_LICENSE.txt

organicmaps/DATA_LICENSE.txt at master · organicmaps/organicmaps

🍃 Organic Maps is a free Android & iOS offline maps app for more than 6M travelers, tourists, hikers, and cyclists. It uses crowd-sourced OpenStreetMap data and is developed with love by the co...

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Matthias R. Koch 14h ago

" ... it works for you, because you have changed that setting."

Nope .... vanilla install

@organicmaps the bug being their donors no doubt

ffffennek 12h ago

@thejacenallen please, do have doubt.

ffffennek 5h ago

@thejacenallen ok

First comment on the issue:

Settings, Anti-Features, Other, check it
Ref: f-droid.org/2024/07/25/twif.ht… and f-droid.org/2024/04/04/twif.ht…

While other apps with ads, tracking and known vulnerabilities are visible to all users, ad-free app Organic Maps is not available by default.

Nice try, but there's no conspiracy here.;)

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Marcin Jasiukowicz 🅨 1d ago

@organicmaps Interestingly, the Wikipedia app is not visible for the same reason!

@organicmaps
At this point, it would be better to install #CoMaps, as it does not contain any anti-features.
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@organicmaps You can install with Obtainium App from f-droid repo or Github.

@organicmaps That's not a bug, it's the normal antifeatures filter and from my experience you have to enable that for the vast majority of things to actually be hidden...

Fossman 21h ago

@gamey @organicmaps Which "antifeatures" are disabled by default?

Hey @fdroidorg, do you give users the freedom to choose "antifeatures" by asking them on first install?

@opensourceopenmind @gamey @organicmaps @fdroidorg

I just tested it with a fresh new install of F-droid. The only anti-feature that is hidden is NSFW.

@Jqri @opensourceopenmind @organicmaps Yea, that's still disabled for me and I am pretty sure I didn't change anything there

Fossman 12h ago

@gamey @Jqri @organicmaps Then it doesn't look like that big of an issue tbh... it would be visible to users by default.

@opensourceopenmind @Jqri @organicmaps I dont think it's one tbh. People probably disable certain anti features by choice and the complain that they can't find a app including them if I had to guess. I mean, maybe the Organic Maps people will provide details on how this is a bug (F-Droid has a bunch of those so I wouldn't be surprised) but so far I don't see it.

Organic Maps 12h ago

@gamey @opensourceopenmind @Jqri that is a bug in F-Droid, and details were already provided and discussed almost two years ago. Please check the link to the discussion. The problem is that the bug arises when users _do not change the default setting_, not the opposite.

@organicmaps @gamey @opensourceopenmind

Yea I already knew that, but u make it like a bigg Problem. Users just need to change the setting

Fossman 12h ago

@organicmaps @gamey @Jqri I read it - If I understand correctly:
- this does not affect new users who install f-droid and search for maps
- this affected users who had f-droid installed when f-droid attached the tetherednet label to Organic Maps

Is this correct?

@opensourceopenmind @organicmaps NSFW as far as I know, that's still disabled for me and I don't think I changed anything

Fred🇺🇦19h ago

@organicmaps I didn't see this bug. When I type "organic" there are two apps include Organic Maps. If I type "organic maps", there is only Organic Maps left in the result. F-Droid 1.23.2

starfrosch (desde 2002)19h ago

@organicmaps Nice try, but there's no conspiracy here.

@organicmaps Bro thats no bug. A few years ago this particular anti-features section was automaticly enabled, so apps with the anti-feature "Tethered Network Services" were hidden. These apps were excluded Form search.

but there was an update that changed that. If you installed F-droid after this you will not have this Problem. And if you do, it should be easy to change the setting

ffffennek 12h ago

F-Droid works as intended. It works in a boneheaded way, but it is how they want it.
You calling this a "bug", even though you understand why it happens, makes you seem disingenuous, @organicmaps

Organic Maps 12h ago

@fennek this is 1) bad default setting issue that requires users to learn about setting and find/change the setting; 2) bad UX for the unclear message about the filtered out app. Writing something like “Press here to open Organic Maps, because it was filtered out from search by default by someone’s decision” would help users a lot.

ffffennek 12h ago

@organicmaps Agreed.

DKMellow 3h ago

@organicmaps these are the new defaults on F-Droid: