wakest ⁂Slop coded fediverse servers are multiplying I guess we need to start tracking this somewhere!? What happens when there are more AI generated server frameworks then human written ones? The do-ocracy of implementation first protocol inconsistency sorta wins right now but that brakes down when there are more bots making the call then humans
Todd Sundsted@liaizon I think these are good concerns but I am concerned about the idea of “tracking”. right now my perception of the fediverse is that it has become by far the most overtly hostile social network I’ve been on with wrath regularly directed at “those who don’t conform” even if they diverge in trivial ways. and I am not the only one with a stake in this saying this! more of that made easier to direct is not going to benefit the fediverse in the long term.
nicole mikołajczyk@toddsundsted @liaizon I don't get the point against tracking them. Such a list would be useful even for 'vibe-coders' who want to experiment with fedi.
@toddsundsted @mkljczk I have been keeping track of every piece of fediverse software that I have come across for many years. I help curate delightful.club and have helped with fediverse.party as well. A lot of people come to the fediverse looking for an alternative from the horrors of the status quo of social media. Many people pick their software cause it supports their ideological threshold of some sort.
@toddsundsted @mkljczk There are many many people here who would like to avoid using software written or designed by LLMs, and there is nuance here. There are people who are using LLMs to help them on with spesific features or integrated into their workflow, all the way to people who have never written software before now making fediverse tools. I believe people have a right to know how their tools are being built.
@toddsundsted @mkljczk There are those that will chose to try to stay "pure" and try to not interact with software built by LLMs and there will be people who want to play with the newest vibe coded things as soon as they get their hands on them. I am personally interested to see how this dynamic plays out. I am already seeing people getting mad they find out a tool they are already using is being built by an LLM and they can feel tricked. Like their trust in that thing has been taken away
@toddsundsted @mkljczk I have also played with vibe coding and I am not personally interested in shaming anyone for their use of new tools (even when those tools are being made or funded by literal fascists) but I think if servers or software are not being upfront with the fact that they are being written majorly by LLMs there is a valid reason to report that information so that people who otherwise wouldn't know can make up their own mind what to do with that information.
@liaizon @mkljczk i understand these perspectives. i literally deleted my social media accounts in january of 2017 and joined mastodon.social. i started building ktistec in march of 2020 because i felt like it was the only way i could ensure i had the experience i wanted. i deliberately picked the agpl-3.0 license for very ideological reasons.
so, yes, people should endeavor to use tools that align with their values. they should not, however, expect tool builders to comply with their wishes just because they wish it. and i don't see the upside in self-reporting AI usage for the average open source software volunteer.
@skyfaller suggested avoiding any software that does not explicitly state that it does not use AI. i think this is a much better way.