honestly i wonder how many corpos you could just send an invoice to the right email and it would get paid no questions asked
it wouldnt even really be considered fraud if you got caught eventually
@alice Heard stories about it being actually not that uncommon but I think the risk of getting a sentence if you're discovered is maybe too high
@Nocta_Senestra yea but for what. sending an invoice? if you're not like out right lying on the invoice you can't even be blamed for anything
@alice Hmmm I'm pretty sure if you're billing a service that doesn't exist it's still considered fraud
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@alice lmao that would be pretty funny
@alice I'll visit you in jail :<
@Nocta_Senestra im taking you with me mommy >:3
@alice
Aww 💜
"I'm bringing my emotional support mommy. Oh she needs to have a reason to go to jail too? I'm sure we can find a lot of those"

@alice @Nocta_Senestra please don't do that

but also it would be funny

@Claire @Nocta_Senestra genuine question what's the worst that could happen?
i dont think its breaking any law? at worst someone emails you within 14 days asking for a refund and then you're obligated to do it unless they signed it away separately.

im not doing it because it would be more accounting burden than i'd ever want (and you definitely want some starting capital for a dedicated bank account/corp) but it seems fully legal as long as you dont lie about entirely fake services or previous agreements
@alice @Claire I'm pretty sure you don't want to go to court to check out if it is, but as long as you're not too greedy/diversify the companies I guess it won't be worth it for each one individually to bring you in court

@alice @Nocta_Senestra i mean you'd still be billing something that wasn't asked of you at all? pretty sure that would not be legal and would fall into fraud or attempt of extortion or something

but i really don't know what law this would actually fall under and what would be the risk, sorry

@Claire @Nocta_Senestra yea but like i dont think there's anything inherently illegal about sending an invoice for something that wasnt agreed upon previously. of course there is no obligation to pay it if they don't agree with it, but if they don't check Anything about it i dont think you can be blamed for anything lol
@alice @Nocta_Senestra for the cases i've seen of that happening there was always some fraud because you had to pretend in-house employees were also approving the transfer and/or you were a real company
@alice i remember reading an article somewhere about how some people just do that, they find the address, mount something that looks like a good front for a company, email Financials about an invoice cleared by upper management, and they get money that way