FoxtrotDeltaTangoJust a reminder
To only have two sides is the problem.
Sure, but as far as what we can control right now, let’s elect some fucking Democrats please
How much longer will this be a cookie cutter answer?
Until there are enough grassroots progressive candidates to take over the democratic party the same way the tea party movement took over the republican party, and finally some progressive initiatives can pass into law, such as eliminating FPTP.
Please don’t take the “just vote democrats into office” answer to mean “sit tight and do nothing but vote” when voting is really the bare minimum activism you should be doing to preserve a democratic system.
Tag Your Toe@searabbit @RockBottom "the same way the tea party movement took over the republican party"
How did this work out for the country? I forget.
I just wonder how patient US voters are, for the changes you project.
@RockBottom @searabbit They can always touch the fuckin' stove again if the injuries they caused themselves last time aren't healing fast enough for their liking. 🤷♂️
agamemnonymousDoes it matter? Most voters have no attention span. They aren’t revolutionaries. They aren’t going to take to the streets no matter how bad things get. Stop trying to change people who aren’t going to change when you lack the influence to change them in the first place, and focus on trying to leverage what you’ve got as productively as you can.
Build your cadres, make the change you can, and make lemonade from the lemons you’ve got.
DigitLet’s get Democrats controlling all three branches of government for more than 30 seconds to start.
🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞And by “controlling” we mean “supermajority” thanks to the veto and filibuster.
And will things magically be better? Well, better, yes, good, no. First, it takes a lot of time to undo the harm fascists have done. And second, our oligarchs would still be in control, pushing for their needs above ours.
So we need to… solve… our oligarch problem AND win a supermajority AND then We the People need to push that Overton window back to the left, forcing our politicians to serve our needs.
…which is why I say we’re pretty fucked. But that’s what needs to happen, anyway.
DarkFutureUntil Americans learn how to vote for 3rd parties in local/state elections and get more than ZERO 3rd party representatives in Congress.
Yeah, we need more John Fettermans and Joe Manchins and Krysten Cinemenmas.
Right. So the alternative to those is more Marco Rubios, Mike Johnsons, MTG, etc etc etc etc. All of whom are much worse.
We need better people running for office that get financial support from the people, but when it comes down to the general election, whatever addhats made it that far, the Democrat is going to be BY FAR the better pick 99.9% of the time. And if the Republican is truly better, sure, vote for them, but remember that at the party level, Republicans are the ones bringing us fascism.
The point - the entire fucking point - is people saying “Don’t vote for the Fetterman/Manchin/etc in the general election” help the fascists win. Of course it’s shitty options, but you want to pick the LESS. FUCKING. SHITTY. OPTIONS.
@resipsaloquitur @protist You all slobbered after Fetterman and Sinema and accused anyone who didn't similarly fall in love with them of being bootlicking establishment shitlibs.
It's really been something to watch your character arc from abusive "progressive" revolutionary vanguards to abusive "progressive" historical revisionist gaslighters over the past several years.
insurrectionwhat? what is anyone trying to revise?
@nsrxn "YoU jUsT wAnT mOrE fEtTeRmAnS aND SiNeMaS, uNlIkE uS, wHo NeVeR sImPeD fOr ObViOuS pLaNtS"
Come on, bud. 🙄
can you link this?
@nsrxn Can you stop gaslighting? 🙄
I'm not. Ive never seen someone deny being bamboozled by any of those three. the objection is that we were bamboozled, and we won't be fooled again.
Or… any of many other options, than just more corruptible agents and assets.
I often imagine what it may be like with, not just adjustments to re-presentative democracy (like ranked choice voting, proportionate representation, etc), but even beyond direct democracy, even beyond liquid democracy, all the way to (what I call) config-democracy…
“Config-Democracy”, where we each are free to input our say as elaborate (or as terse) as we want, updated when we want, as direct or deferring as we want. Where our “vote” is like a config file, not merely a single mark on a corrupted multiple choice. … unless you want to vote like that still in config-democracy. You’re free to. But I imagine everybody wants more say than that.
All kinds of facilitators can be developed for such. Heck, we even already have the likes of the political compass test, and the world’s shortest political quiz, that for decades have already offered us better means to present our political philosophies. … Funny how the crooks have not sought to implement that eh? Given how the spray of popular results show they’d be voted out of office the first day any such were implemented. … Imagine that, huh? Real democracy, real organisation by the people, for the people.
:)
We can still mend this.
@RockBottom @FoxtrotDeltaTango To see braised chicken vs. dog shit on the menu and sit there, fold your arms petulantly, and demand a third option that doesn't exist while the dog shit is on a default timer to be rammed down everyone's throat if the chicken doesn't get enough votes is the much more immediate problem that you folks are somehow struggling with every single election.
PineRuneThe Red Army is not coming to the rescue.
@RockBottom @PineRune They never have.
Only two sides stand a chance of winning a presidential election. No amount of whining about the 2-party system changes that.
Stop whining everybody. Act like you are able to change something. I know you can do it!
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