not_IOWaymo relies on firefighters and police to bail out stuck robotaxis | TechCrunch
albert_inkmanThe image of firefighters rescuing robotaxis is perfect. We build these systems to be fully autonomous but then the whole time there are humans on standby, paid to bail out when the AI hesitates.
Self-driving is like the rest of modern tech. We sell it as magic, then quietly patch the gaps with human labor. But at least this is honest about it. The companies know who is really keeping these things moving.
“Privatize the profits…”
Imagine dying in a house fire because the fireman were on the other side of town taking a traffic cone off of the hood of a robot taxi when the call came in.
This is a good argument for actual robotaxis that aren’t just cars with extra servos and sensors bolted on.
Yes, give it a robot arm to remove the cone.
Or hire transformers for the job.
Or just don’t have a hood.
I was going to suggest charging the company an exorbitant fee for each incident but your idea is better.
DevolutionA robotow.
I’ll see myself out.
ohh no no. When Police call a tow truck, the tow company comes, takes the vehicle off to a lot and the owner has to come to collect it, generally with cash.
I’m not saying just do it maliciously, but if they’re asked to drive the car off, they should just block it and call a tow company.
Waymo pays for that toe and an outlandish amount of daily fees until they pick it up.
To them, it’s no big deal, a few hundred dollars.
but compound that with the car being out of service for a few days. hiring someone, or flying someone in to unlock it… easy peasy
pelespiritBut this was not an isolated incident. Waymo has relied on taxpayer-funded first responders to navigate its vehicles when they encounter issues, despite the existence of the company’s own roadside assistance team. In at least six instances identified by TechCrunch, first responders have had to take control of Waymo vehicles and move them out of traffic during emergency situations, including one in which an officer was in the middle of responding to a mass shooting.
That’s fine, 'cause they’re paying a fee for it, right?
Right?!
TrackinDaKrakenI thought Waymo was the one using overseas drivers to help when needed?
I’m looking forward to the schadenfreude when all this stupid “AI” shit finally blows up.
Imagine having an overabundance of cheap RAM and GPUs
Ah yeah good point. A lot of the ones they use probably don’t even have ports.
I thought Waymo …
It is complicated…
paraphrandThey see themselves as infrastructure, so then this makes sense. They want to install themselves into our life.
When this automation fad showed up, many people pointed out that there would be plenty of cases where the training data just didn’t cover edge-cases. Problem is, life is FULL of edge-cases. This is where humans are uniquely good at improvising and adapting in real-time, when faced with previously unknown situations.
In fact, you can argue humans are really, really good at handling exceptions to the rule. Pretty much the textbook definition of “creativity.”
But this was not an isolated incident. Waymo has relied on taxpayer-funded first responders to navigate its vehicles when they encounter issues
This should be more than enough reason to cancel their operating permit (whatever it is called) immediately.
Do you think normal cars don’t occasionally break down in the middle of traffic and need to be moved out of the way by cops?
Normal cars don’t do that (or maybe statistically next to never).
Think yourself: there would have been no news at all here if these cars did it as rarely as normal cars.
there would have been no news at all here if these cars did it as rarely as normal cars.
Bullshit. There are news stories every day of Teslas catching on fire. Do you have any idea how often normal cars catch on fire? There are news stories because it is a new technology that people either hate because they hate EVs and love gas cars, or because they hate Elon Musk. Yes, there are legitimate reasons to hate Tesla (Elon and the unopenable doors that trap people in), but EVs catch on fire statistically less often than gas cars, but you NEVER see stories about gas cars on fire and see tons of stories about Teslas.
Also, there are 6 cases they could find of this happening on Waymos. Do you have any idea how many millions of miles these Waymos have driven? 200 million miles. They are operating 24/7 in 10 major cities and have been for multiple years. Their home base in my city is right by my house, and do you know how many Waymos I’ve seen stopped on the side of the road, either broken down or stopped for being confused? None so far. Do you know how many cars I have seen stopped in the middle of the road or an intersection, either because they broke down, or had a flat tire, or the driver was on the phone, or the driver missed a turn and was trying to do a 5 point turn in heavy traffic instead of going 1 block farther and then turning around? A lot. Multiple times I’ve seen cops pulled over directing traffic away from a stalled car that people were trying to push out of the way. What is different from that cop using his time to do that versus getting in and driving it out of the way?
Firefighters have to deal with this all the time.
motorbiscuit.com/can-fire-trucks-push-cars-reach-…
Now tell me how many times a cop or firefighter had to move a normal car out of the way in an emergency situation.
BananaIsABerryOther commenters saw Waymo and instantly turned their brain off.
I cannot think of many situations where a car is broken down/stuck in the way of traffic and police do not help direct traffic out of the way while the vehicle is recovered. In this case, there is no driver so it needs to be moved by someone.
If, like the situation in the article describes, people are being routed the wrong direction, it’s really unlikely that a roadside assistance team operated or contracted by Waymo would be able to get to the vehicle. Who else is supposed to move it?
Yet another case of the poor funneling their money to the 1%.
The working class pays local taxes to fund the police and the fire department. The 1% make money by operating on a business model that relies on these taxpayer funded services to unfuck their product out of fucked situations. Thus the taxpayers unwillingly subsidize the 1% with their tax money. As such, the taxpayer funded services degrade because the fire department/police department have to babysit a private company’s products instead of attending to business they’re actually paid to do.
Sounds like it wasn’t ready for prime time