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MLOP 20: Snow Crash
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I really can’t stand him, he’s so hardball. Survival of the fittest etc. I wouldn’t consider him an authority.
I do think VR has its place, just not in every living room or every metro car. It was way overhyped but I do think it adds value in some cases.
AR probably even more. The stupid thing is just that Meta and Google always stick cameras on them. A heads up display in glasses would be useful in many cases. The camera id never use but it makes it insta creepy. Of course these companies are super creepy already too.
talStephenson actually specifically addressed how people would feel uncomfortable around AR users from a privacy standpoint back in Snow Crash (as well as the fashion side).
It’s a gargoyle, standing in the dimness next to a shanty. Just in case he’s not already conspicuous enough, he’s wearing a suit. Hiro starts walking toward him. Gargoyles represent the embarrassing side of the Central Intelligence Corporation. Instead of using laptops, they wear their computers on their bodies, broken up into separate modules that hang on the waist, on the back, on the headset. They serve as human surveillance devices, recording everything that happens around them. Nothing looks stupider, these getups are the modern-day equivalent of the slide-rule scabbard or the calculator pouch on the belt, marking the user as belonging to a class that is at once above and far below human society. They are a boon to Hiro because they embody the worst stereotype of the CIC stringer. They draw all of the attention. The payoff for this self-imposed ostracism is that you can be in the Metaverse all the time, and gather intelligence all the time.
Gargoyles are no fun to talk to. They never finish a sentence. They are adrift in a laser-drawn world, scanning retinas in all directions, doing background checks on everyone within a thousand yards, seeing everything in visual light, infrared, millimeter. wave radar, and ultrasound all at once. You think they’re talking to you, but they’re actually poring over the credit record of some stranger on the other side of the room, or identifying the make and model of airplanes flying overhead. For all he knows, Lagos is standing there measuring the length of Hiro’s cock through his trousers while they pretend to make conversation.
AR without cameras is kind of pointless, imo. The creep factor is huge, though. It would be reasonable (not easy, but reasonable) if people could curate what information about themselves was available to whom, but that would preclude the corporations having access to whatever information they could glean about everyone. And if they have it, why couldn’t they provide it to whoever is willing to pay them a small monthly fee for it?
Until that problem is solved, AR is going to be a very tough sell.
For me it would work. Just getting the notifications from my watch in the glasses would help a lot, and directions too. I had a Google glass and I’d often tape off the camera if I’d take it out in public (with big red tape so it’s visible). It would still be handy to see messages and maps.
At the very least it would need a physical sliding cover over the camera.
So, the issue is basically that a lot of people — I think including Stephenson, given his portrayal of the Metaverse in Snow Crash — expected that the bar was getting viable VR headsets, and then getting over the hump of writing enough initial software, and then it’d just explode.
The thing is that we have VR headsets that more-or-less work for playing VR games. We don’t have as many VR games as we do games designed around conventional hardware, but they’re out there. But…we haven’t really seen that explosion. People haven’t said “hey, I’ll drop maybe $300-$1k to have a larger FOV with more peripheral vision, some additional immersion, and the ability to use my head as an input.”
Like, you’re saying “I can get a VR headset and play VR games in 2026”, which is true. But the state of the field is just nowhere near where advocates hoped it would be.
“Never happen” is quite an ignorant prediction to make when it’s already been happening since the 90s. Sounds just like another one of the people that think everyone has to adopt something for it to be viable.
I actually know several people IRL who have VR headsets, so it’s not super uncommon. It doesn’t have to be “for everyone” to succeed - look at the hang glider market for example. How many people are flying around on hang gliders these days? It’s still going on, and there’s millions of dollars in the hang glider market. I only know one guy who used to fly around on one but I don’t know if he still does.
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Read his post. This article is lazy, he at no point says it will “never happen”. What he does do is argue that there’s not much of a business case, they aren’t really doing anything with it that’s new and good enough to warrant that, which makes it unlikely to ever be a major success. He also concedes that after the $80 million dollar failure of the metaverse his opinion might be worth ignoring. So, he isn’t really drawing a hardline on any of these opinions either.
That’s all achievable fairly soon, within two decades maybe.
Sure, if there’s: (a) investment in it, and (b) engineering and research behind it.
The person in the article is doubting that there will be A, and the way things are trending in America I doubt B will occur here.
Political stability isn’t just a “nice to have” it’s “table stakes” as the suits are fond of saying. People are not going to achieve much advanced research in a country that is actively collapsing.
But who knows, maybe China will crack it.
Maybe, but I’d lean towards disagreeing.
Current HMDs have poor angular resolution, and are not drop-in replacement for existing monitors.
I’d get an HMD once it hits something roughly comparable to today’s monitors in terms of angular resolution, and comfortable to use for as long. I probably won’t buy one just to play VR games. I don’t think that we will never get to the point that they’re a monitor replacement, though. It’s more-portable and can fill more of your visual field.
And I think that at that point, it becomes a lot more appealing. You can have a private screen that people can’t see. You can potentially consume less power than a laptop screen, since you can have a dark environment where the light only needs to go to one place. Laptop form factor is kind of defined by the display; if you don’t have to do that, you can use other portable computer form factors. You can use the thing while walking.
Once you have an HMD as a monitor replacement, then it’s a smaller bump to use it for VR purposes.
Stephenson’s argument is mostly that either (a) it fails on the fashion front or (b) it’s creepy to have people just staring at random things. I think that fashion has been pretty flexible over the years, and that people already just talk at the air for cell phones with Bluetooth headsets.
I think that if we never get mainstream VR HMDs, it’ll be because by the time we get there, we have some sort of direct-to-brain connection that just supersedes them. Not because we can’t make something that people will accept because of fashion concerns or because they’re worried about looking strange by looking in random directions using it.