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FoundFootFootage78

I Spoke To The Developer Of The Systemd Birth Date PR - YouTube

https://lemmy.ml/post/44980110

I Spoke To The Developer Of The Systemd Birth Date PR - YouTube - Lemmy

Some of you need to watch this video, and hang your head in shame. Dylan Taylor has been receiving constant harassment, including threats to his life and safety, for actions done collectively by SystemD. The article by Sam Bent was explictly mentioned as part of the harassment campaign, and rightfully so. I don’t think enough people realize that this is catastrophically bad. It’ll discourage people from becoming open source developers, it’ll discourage people from using Linux, and it’ll discourage legislators from taking the Linux community seriously. If you ever wished ill upon another human being for complying with a relatively inconsequential law, you are better off never touching a computer again. The Linux community has collectively gone so far beyond what is acceptable here.

ninepointeight 1d ago

On a completely unrelated, off-topic note. Here is the same person talking about Google’s new “advanced workflow” for “sideloading apps” on Android.

The title of his blog post is “Google’s New Android Sideloading Flow Is a Fair Trade”…Figures.

Google's New Android Sideloading Flow Is a Fair Trade

My reaction to Google's new "advanced flow" for sideloading Android apps, and why the extra friction is worth it to protect people from scams and surveillance.

Dylan M. Taylor

Prunebutt 1d ago

You mention the title but not the content of the essay. Did you read it?

Edit: At first glance, the article seemed actually well-meant. Didn’t have the context of how bootlickery it was.

ninepointeight 1d ago

TL;DR is that he says his initial reaction was “frustration” but then he goes on to parrot everything Google said to justify this.

For example,

57% of adults worldwide experienced a scam in 2025

It is to protect people from scammers. It isn’t aimed at power users (Sounds very much like “It is to protect the children. This isn’t aimed at power users”).

There is no mention of keepandroidopen.org and what it means for developers of free and open android applications.

There is no mention of statements made by developers of applications like F-droid, Obtainium and Newpipe who have openly said that they do not agree with this step from Google.

There is no mention of how this can potentially demotivate individual android app developers and drive them away from the platform entirely (here is an example of this).

There is also no mention of how most of these malware, adware and nagware infested apps used by scammers are ironically on Google’s own Play Store.

Other that that, no. I’m sure I did not read the content of his essay carefully enough. More importantly, my opinion doesn’t matter. I’m just a reactionary idiot. But I wonder what the developers of those free and open source applications on F-droid, applications that cannot be installed via the Play Store (but their scammy fake versions can be), will react to this being called a “fair trade”.

Keep Android Open

Advocating for Android as a free, open platform for everyone to build apps on.

Prunebutt 1d ago

Wow. Thanks for clearing that up. That was the first time I heard about the “advanced flow” and the criticism surrounding it.

Sure seems like a useful idiot at best.

mystic-macaroni 1d ago

Relatively inconsequential law? Relative to what?

FoundFootFootage78 1d ago

Death threats.

Also, basically anything the Trump administration has done.

Tying everything on the internet to a government ID is the end goal here. That is what all the age verification laws are enabling, intentionally or not.

In a land of ICE forcefully deporting people and people losing their lives in foreign prisons or just for resisting a little, do you not think privacy is more important now than ever?

This man took a step on the road of removing all of our privacy, and the community shouted “WTF DO YOU THINK YOU’RE DOING?!?!”.

FoundFootFootage78 1d ago

The path to privacy is to log off.

mystic-macaroni 1d ago

Death threats are far beyond unacceptable, but it’s naive to think this policy is without consequence. It can take as few as 3 non-personal pieces of information (examples of personal: name, phone number, street address, SSN) to uniquely identify someone. Say the kind of car you drive, your employer, and your hair color. Together those are form a strong identifier, but now add age BY DEFAULT. Even a weak set becomes unique.

That is incredibly consequential. You could be implicated in a crime you didn’t commit, protesting becomes impossible, and everything you do or say will ALWAYS follow you. The balance between citizen and government becomes irrevesibly skewed. Just because your computer will volunteer your age.

This issue should be the issue we care about the most.

Pommes_für_dein_Balg 1d ago

The law says an OS needs to have a way of entering a birth date.
Not the correct birth date, it doesn’t need to allow checking it. Just any date.

That’s inconsequential relative to basically everything else.

It may be inconsequential in a literal sense if the law isn’t enforced meaningfully, which is probably pretty likely. I don’t really care what California law says and I doubt they’ll try to convince me.

I don’t think enough people realize that this is catastrophically bad. It’ll discourage people from becoming open source developers, it’ll discourage people from using Linux, and it’ll discourage legislators from taking the Linux community seriously.

Sure, but personally, I don’t want a linux community that’s driven by corporate needs and governments that have been paid off by them. I don’t view it as a catastrophe, if that’s the version of “the linux community” that we lose.

None of that is to say that harassing devs is correct. It’s not, and never is. Harassing anyone with death threats and dogpiling is not on. But if we take that out of the picture, negative pushback that drives away devs that would otherwise have helped implement universal age gating isn’t something I’m terribly upset over, because I don’t want the version of community they’re taking us towards

this version IS the community and they’re not taking us anywhere where we weren’t already going.

linux is a much a product of our society as are other things like pop culture and capitalism. corporations of all sizes and reaches (ie red hat, ibm, google, facebook, etc.) have always steered the path and decided upon the development trends that linux has always taken and the only people who could have prevented or mitigated further centralized enshitification (aka the linux kernel developers group) bent over backwards to comply with the american government’s overreach when they kicked out russian developers.

age verification is just the next step into this overreach and it too is being driving from the same corporate/government source that forced us all to accepting things like systemd or libvirt/kvm (facebook for the former and red hat for the latter) to service their profit motives.

like american politics, it’s still possible to reverse the trend; but also like american politics; it requires a greater deal of collectivist action that westerners are unwilling to risk out of fear of losing their own tiny piece of the pie.

[the linux kernel developers group] bent over backwards to comply with the american government’s overreach when they kicked out russian developers.

I though that was mostly due to Linus being a typical Russia-hating Finn, but I never investigated.

i also wouldn’t put this past him given the reactionary tendencies he’s demonstrated in the past; but i suspect that a threat of non-compliance == treason from the federal government probably had a bigger impact.

and if you’ve ever had the displeasure of working for the federal government; you’ll hear horror stories of how capricious and draconian the selective enforcement of treason can be.

Common right wing pattern:

I do a fascist thing

people call me a piece of shit

I feel threatened

FoundFootFootage78 1d ago

He feels threatened because people are explicitly threatening him.

it’s easy to solve the problem: don’t be a piece of shit.

FoundFootFootage78 1d ago

You are already failing at that. Suggesting that he deserves the death threats because he did something you don’t agree with.

Nope, you are making that up, I never suggested that. I simply recognized the pattern: that dude is a nobody that did a rage-bait to get his 15 minutes of fame. And people like you are just helping, nobody is going to kill that idiot for this thing.

FoundFootFootage78 1d ago

Nope, you are making that up, I never suggested that.

Words carry more weight than their explicit meaning. I’ll leave you with one sentence to put what you said in perspective.

“She could’ve prevented it by not walking home alone at night wearing such provocative clothing”.

that dude is a nobody that did a rage-bait to get his 15 minutes of fame

I think the analogy of the example sentence applies perfectly to this sentence too. You’re basically saying “he was asking for it” and no, he wasn’t. He so obviously wasn’t.

I seriously wonder if the death threats aren’t a false flag. Someone really wants to put more attention to this guy instead of people who have agency in actual decisions. Even the maintainers of repos that accepted his PRs should receive more attention than him.

Stizzah 18h ago

I think it’s just a rage bait started by that guy only, but if the argument wasn’t so extremely niche it would get some momentum, like that dumb video about the Somali childcare of a month ago. Someone prominent on the right would retweet the guy crying that “the violent left are trying to kill meee!”. But I think the story will just fade away, in here and Reddit.

stravanasu 1d ago

I don’t think enough developers realize that the majority of users does not want this. They’re acting exactly like the legislators: “we don’t give a shit about what the people think”.

The legislators won’t take the Linux community seriously, because the developers aren’t taking the community seriously either.

FoundFootFootage78 1d ago

The majority of users do not care, and even if they did it’s still not the user’s place to demand the FOSS developers listen to them. That aside, this is an issue of personal attacks and harassment directed at an individual developer, the project is another matter.

Harassment of an individual developer, or anyone really, is grossly immoral, counterproductive, and reflects poorly on the Linux and Lemmy community.

non_burglar 1d ago

I was with you, particularly with your anti-violence stance, until this comment.

The answer to disagreements in the Linux world has been to fork a project or make your own. This is different, neither devs nor users will have a say if these various laws are instituted.

The majority of users do not care, and even if they did it’s still not the user’s place to demand the FOSS developers listen to them.

Linux is not a megacorporation. It is an array of different interests that still manage to get lots of interesting stuff done, even with those differences.

This was not a cool thing to say.

FoundFootFootage78 1d ago

FOSS developers have the right to ignore people who are making demands that are unreasonable or not in line with their vision.

Arcanoloth 1d ago

plonk

Unfortunately appeasement upwards has been taken advantage of over and over.

It’s logical to take a stance of ok what can we do to head off the bigger problem. But the truth is, over authoritative governments and tech businesses will overstep that rational offering. So appeasement needs to stop, and recognising this as the line is already occurring.

I am not gonna wish harm on the guy, but I really don’t have a lot of sympathy for a techbro simp.

unexposedhazard 1d ago

Yeah preemptive bootlicking before even getting sued is not a characteristic i love to see in a dev that works on one of the most important pieces of linux software.

glitching 1d ago

first off, please announce that the video is from that brody clown so people can not click on that slop; needless to say, I ain’t watched it so I don’t know or care what points was made in it.

second, what OP is doing in OP and his bonehead comments is purposefully pushing a strawman argument, false dichotomy, red herring, and all the other logical fallacies in order to posture as a hero or whatever they got going on between their ears - if you’re anti this bullshit “law” then you are also pro physically harming poor FOSS “contributors”.

this fucking “contribution” shoulda been shot down like any other troll/bullshit plaguing every other FOSS project beset with ai bots and carma-farming typo-fixers and the like, and if by some mistake their “contribution” was accepted, here’s a chance to reverse it.

cali ain’t the world, which by and large ain’t got no such idiocy on the books. and if it did, I wouldn’t bootlick my way to submitting a patch to incorporate it; I would, in fact, oppose it any way I could.

that clown of a “contributor” has a history of simping for the backwardest ideas, antithetical to FOSS and I don’t care one bit what he has to say on any one topic.

FoundFootFootage78 1d ago

Needless to say, I ain’t watched it so I don’t know or care what points was made in it.

cali ain’t the world, which by and large ain’t got no such idiocy on the books. and if it did, I wouldn’t bootlick my way to submitting a patch to incorporate it; I would, in fact, oppose it any way I could. that clown of a “contributor” has a history of simping for the backwardest ideas, antithetical to FOSS and I don’t care one bit what he has to say on any one topic.

If you refuse to listen to the experience of the person the Linux community has been harassing, then don’t comment.

what OP is doing in OP and his bonehead comments is purposefully pushing … and all the other logical fallacies … if you’re anti this bullshit “law” then you are also pro physically harming poor FOSS “contributors”.

Many Lemmy users have explicitly called for violence against Dylan Taylor, and many more have brought forwards implied calls to violence. The Lemmy community is broadly 50:50 on their support for said calls for the violence.

glitching 1d ago

I’m commenting on your shitty takes. second, if you’ve spent decades (that’s plural yo) on this planet, then you’re familiar with the concept of a hyperbole. a hyperbole is a purposefully exaggerated statement in order to draw attention to the importance of an issue. e.g. I could eat a horse - no you couldn’t, you’re just mildly inconvenienced with what you think is hunger.

consequently, there’s a distinction to be made between actual calls to violence (of which I haven’t seen any on this platform) and vividly voicing disgust and anger.

FoundFootFootage78 1d ago

Excellent. Just having his face out there will discourage him for good, once he gets the backlash.

There is a special guillotine for this wannabe parasite.

A mistake without regret must be punished. They are not kids acting silly. I don’t feel comfortable with a foot on my neck, even when that foot isn’t pressing very hard.

What you are really asking is how far will people go to defend freedom? Look at history, my friend.

He didn’t have to do this. If he wants to do his part to make everyone else’s life worse, then he will have to face the consequences for it.

Nah useful idiots like this deserve the shit they’ll get.

I don’t wish Dylan harm, and I’m not doing anything to him. I also believe nobody here is sending threats. If you saw the video, you probably noticed that it contained a screenshot from 4chan. 4chan users have been known for terrible behaviour and they are conspiracy-minded fascists, who also oppose this change (others fascists would like this as long as it’s not them being spied on). I’m almost completely sure that they are the ones doing the bullying, not users from here.

I’d prefer if the age verification landscape would be fragmented an unusable, compared to systemd offering it in a consistent manner. Websites will use the offered APIs and will use it for extending fingerprinting. No, fake birth dates won’t save you. Even the disabled canvas API is used for fingerprinting. It just shouldn’t be exposed at all. Not that it matters because every other OS will comply and desktop linux is negligible.

The arguments presented in the video won’t convince anyone who bully people on the internet. They are most often fash and they believe that only power matters. Bullying is exerting power over people, and if they succeed in bullying them into reverting the change, they will be satisfied. Not that I think it will achieve anything, but they do. They follow Carl Schmitt’s teachings.

On “better ways to make a change”: If somebody doesn’t live in the US, and lives in sort of a dictatorship, they can neither affect murican lawmaking nor do their govt listen to anyone other than a few. If this age attestation/verification shit comes into place, their only choice here would be to go and not install systemd-userdb (or use linux without systemd). The disabled API would probably break even more websites than disabling 3rd party javascript. Their govt could also use the fingerprinting to spy more on citizens (they prolly already do).

As a thought experiment: please recommend them a better way than bullying. No, not living in a shithole country is not an option. No, they don’t have the spare money to found/donate to an existing org that fights against this. Also, companies pushing this would just outspend them.

There’s also the aspect of corporate influence over linux. It directs changes in order to further business interest over normal users’ interests. Personally, I prefer companies be out of linux and would accept lower-quality things. But also, I think the ones most hurt by these laws are the system integrators (mentioned in the video), who actually need to do things that align with normal users’ interests.

On the parental control thing: yes, age things could be used for it, but the parents know better than the computer, and user settings would be preferable (for example, kid should be able to this and that program, open this site, but not others). I think it shouldn’t be the websites who decide. Yes, parenting takes a lot of time, but we can’t substitute it with automatated fence-building.

Edit: elaborate on "fascists.

FoundFootFootage78 1d ago

A good response. Informative, mature, and well thought out.

I don’t wish Dylan harm, and I’m not doing anything to him. I also believe nobody here is sending threats.

True, but publicly wishing ill upon someone for something as trivial as this (i.e. something with zero basis in the real world) is extremely toxic. The odds are slim he’d ever be seen on Lemmy, saying the kinds of things some people here have been saying publicly demonstrates a tremendous lack of empathy and maturity. And that this community is so accepting of those kinds of words is a real problem.

There’s also the Sam Bent article, that was posted here on Lemmy. That’s probably the most directly harmful thing someone’s done. By sharing that article it’s possible someone here was inspired to harass him, and even though nobody probably did the risk is non-zero.

As a thought experiment: please recommend them a better way than bullying

We could:

reject the PR: no, because it’s already accepted by the lead.
try to argue with the project maintainers: already failed. This is systemd we’re talking about. They are used to just plowing on regardless of what the wider community thinks.
reject the software: systemd is fundamental to a lot of systems, so this is very painful.

It’s not hard to see why people have resorted to bullying. It’s not right, but there’s no way to make your voice heard. OSS development is not a democracy. It’s a do-ocracy. Those that d"do" dictate. Fine when the developer is aligned with the users. Chaos otherwise.

You missed this option:

Ignore the feature and don’t use it.

systemd is quite modular. For example, if you abhor systemd-resolved (not at unreasonable stance) it’s NBD to disable it.

Recently (<1 year?) I frequently see the notion that software is “tainted” by having been touched by Bad. I find this a bit silly. Especially if it’s from a user who’s not even spending time in the codebase.

If the law creates this new API, nobody will be able to get away without leaking PII to the web (I think it will have a javascript API). 1970 jan 1 identifies *nix users, 1900 jan 1, even an “unset” will leak info on people, etc. entropy and shit. Websites will also try to use the API. One could set the function to crash JS, or disable all JS, but that already breaks 90% of the web. One could also: either not install userdb (like I do), or install a non-systemd linux, but those still will leak “unset” or “API disabled”.

There’s no getting away from this, it really is the law that we should push back against. Unfortunately it’s a fight currently only Americans and Brazilians can participate in properly. Donations won’t work well, govts these days often clamp down on NGOs because they often get money internationally, and therefore, they are “foreign interference” etc.

“user is likely accessing service from a *nix device” isn’t PII. of course anything can be used for fingerprinting, but this type of “leak” is about as insignificant as it gets. It’s not what most people would consider a violation of their privacy.

PseudoSpock 1d ago

He didn’t comply, he collaborated. It won’t deter anyone but pro fascist programmers from developing for Linux. Your defence of the indefensible says a lot about you, too.

I’m going to bullet my thoughts on this whole thing because I’m annoyed by the general response, and the implementation as well:

I don’t wish harm on the dev and I don’t dislike them. I don’t even know them
Death threats are ridiculous; that’s the working class attacking itself again
That said, I want to know what compelled this dev to preemptively implement this field not in 1 but in 2 separate PRs
Both the field and the law itself do not serve the user at all; it’s a bullshit vague law that is using children as cover—again (I’m old enough to know how this game works)
I’ve always viewed Linux as the rebel among all of the corporate slop we have to constantly dodge, so it is super gross when I see changes in Linux that were made to appease laws built and pushed by fascist tech companies and governments
Did the dev even open a line of discussion anywhere, or was the PR supposed to be used for that?
What’s his motivation? Money? Fame? I’ve been a programmer for 20 years and I’d never jump on a chance to add something that aligns with laws I think are unethical dog shit—especially in the Linux space where the whole goal is to not be Windows
I’m a bit frustrated with the casual “what’s the big deal?” mindset that a lot of people I’ve encountered have about this. Are we not living through the same timeline where the US has fallen under the control of a fascist regime that is being eagerly assisted by Meta, Apple, Microsoft and a ton of other massive corporations? How do people not see that this is the beginning of the wedge? And let’s say it peters out and nothing else happens. I’m not going to be ashamed of the fact that I was a squeaky wheel over it because I’ve seen how these things go. You follow the money and suddenly the bigger picture comes into focus. Why on earth a meager single little dev would implement this, unprompted, is just beyond my reasoning.

This reminds me of when Guillermo Rauch from Vercel praised Trump multiple times. Bro, you’re not Tim Cook. You’re not Ellison, Zuck, or Musk. You’re not even on their level. You’re not going to get on their radar. I have PTSD from fellow tech folks being weirdly aligned with fascism and this whole dumb thing is giving me that vibe again. I don’t think this is that 1:1, but this is like the metal scene. You have to dodge the fascists that seem to weirdly permeate corners of the culture. People that refuse and get annoyed by right-wing labels, but still help right-wing grifters, are their own unique brand of pathetic.

FoundFootFootage78 1d ago

Are we not living through the same timeline where the US has fallen under the control of a fascist regime that is being eagerly assisted by Meta, Apple, Microsoft and a ton of other massive corporations?

Because the real fight is not on the internet or computers.

But it probably realistically has to be organized on it, since that is the global communication network…

FauxLiving 1d ago

What’s his motivation? Money? Fame?

Why does anybody submit changes to any project? Probably a wide variety of reasons.

I’ve been a programmer for 20 years and I’d never jump on a chance to add something that aligns with laws I think are unethical dog shit—especially in the Linux space where the whole goal is to not be Windows

I hope that you can see that there are people who see this addition as being not a big deal: optional field, no verification, GECOS fields already storing ‘realName’, ‘location’, etc.

It doesn’t seem like a huge stretch to understand why a person would submit a simple update when they don’t think it’s of world changing significance.

I’m a bit frustrated with the casual “what’s the big deal?” mindset that a lot of people I’ve encountered have about this.

I’m one of those people so maybe I can help.

Are we not living through the same timeline where the US has fallen under the control of a fascist regime that is being eagerly assisted by Meta, Apple, Microsoft and a ton of other massive corporations?

Yes, we are. That’s why I don’t use their software or services. The major, and most important, reason why this isn’t a big deal to me is that Apple, Meta and Microsoft don’t choose the software that is part of my system. We’re not in commercial software land, this is the FOSS world. Here, I get to choose what happens on my system because I am the one in completely control.

If a project decides that I have to submit to age verification then I simply won’t use their project, it’s just that simple. But, that is not what is happening here. There is no verification of any sort, nor is the operation of systemd affected by this field in ANY way.

I don’t buy the slippery slope argument that’s being presented around this topic which makes the change seem like the beginning of fascisim or the end of privacy or whatever other hyperbolic situations that people are breathlessly inventing to justify their outrage.

We already have fields to store personal data and those fields are optional and rarely used. They exist because they are needed in some cases and in the cases where they are not needed they do not do anything. The birthDate field is exactly the same as the realName field in that sense. It only does something if you choose to install software that uses it.

This field will NEVER affect you unless you choose to install software on your system that requires it.

What’s happening here is that people are treating this single JSON field as a stand-in for age verification. It is not. If someone wants to meaningfully fight age verification laws then they need to involve themselves in politics instead of social media brigading and harassment campaigns against developers.

In my view, this ‘situation’ exists because it allows hoards of people to appear to be ‘doing something’ without actually doing anything. It’s low effort activisim. People find it much easier to write self-righteous and hyperbolic comments and to get into internet fights than to do the hard work required to affect the politicians and laws that are passed.

On top of this we have the signal boosting effect of trend following, clickbait-driven sites and content creators looking to boost ad revenue by playing up outrage and drama.

I disagree with these laws, but this is not the hill where the battle is being fought. It is a pointless distraction and one that is being used to actively target a person for harm.

Nothing is going to happen on your system unless you choose to let it happen. No software update by any project will ever change this.

The only thing that will change it, and the thing that people should focus on, are the laws in the places where they live.

lightnsfw 1d ago

This field will NEVER affect you unless you choose to install software on your system that requires it.

If the field did not exist software could not be made to utilize it.

Do you think that would prevent or discourage age verification software from existing? It’s not as if a systemd user field is the only place a user’s birthday could be stored.

Realistically, age verification software that is seriously attempting age verification isn’t even going to touch the systemd field, because why would it? The field could only be trusted if it is managed by an age verification service anyway, in which case the service could just as easily store the data outside of systemd.

jokeyrhyme 1d ago

I’ll be upset when a cloud-connected Linux component prevents the system from working unless the real name and birth date fields have been verified

until then, this is just as inert as the real name field which has been there for decades, and far less useful for surveillance than the real name field which has been there for decades

ExoticCherryPigeon 1d ago

Except this field has been implemented explicitly for this age verification laws. If this was for some random birthday greeting when you open terminal, i think fewer people would be up in arms. context is everything.

if this moron implements compliance with laws that record a birthday today, what is stopping him adding 3rd party verification of id tomorrow? So far his track record is corporate bootlicker. You cannot trust projects where this guy is a contributer to

what is stopping him

The pull request approval process? It’s quite easy to recognize that one change is harmless and another is not. The slope is not THAT slippery.

I completely understand objecting to the systemd change, I also object, but acting like the fascists have already won is a bit crazy.

ExoticCherryPigeon 16h ago

It is slippery, I have described the process UK is taken here https://piefed.social/comment/10693725

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Age verification laws: slippery slope. Sure. I agree.

Adding optional age field to systemd userdb: not slippery. Systemd isn’t being weaponized as an age verification suite. It’s just not happening.

Professorozone 15h ago

No, let’s wait till we’re at the bottom of the slope. Then start objecting.

As I said, I also object, but you have to realize you’re literally just doing the slippery slope meme unironically. The part that makes it a fallacy is the unjustified assertion that more egregious changes are the inevitable result of the first one, except the first one is materially harmless and in line with existing PII fields in userdb. It’s completely reasonable to expect systemd to go no further than it already has.

NigelFrobisher 1d ago

When you discover the reason for his bootlicking you will be ashamed of your words and deeds.

incompetent 22h ago

I’m out of the loop; what’s his reason?

NigelFrobisher 20h ago

Something about complying with new laws in California and North Korea I think.

ScoffingLizard 1d ago

We’re demanding that the government we pay for respect basic human needs. Privacy is not a luxury. It’s a need. They went to far with this shit so they can take the next mile. Fuck them all and fuck California’s lawmakers for doing it. We should be sending them letters of discontent too.

Lawmakers and politicians in the US ruin everything more and more everyday.

geneva_convenience 1d ago

Yeah I’m not going to give this guy his desired victim role. He put a lot of effort into make privacy invading pull requests. Death threats and doxxing is too far but he deserves some insults.