stravanasu2d ago

Surge in Systemd forks after the latest changes

https://lemmy.ca/post/62192988

Surge in Systemd forks after the latest changes - Lemmy.ca

The latest changes implemented in the Systemd repo, related to or prompted by age-verification laws, have made many people unhappy (I suppose links about this aren’t necessary). This has led to a surge in Systemd forks [https://github.com/systemd/systemd/forks?include=active&page=1&period=1mo&sort_by=last_updated] during the last days (“surge” because there have always been plenty of forks). Here are some forks that explicitly mention those changes as their reason for forking (rough time ordering taken from the fork page): - paramazo/systemd [https://github.com/paramazo/systemd] “The systemd System and Service Manager without age verification” - ganitam/systemd [https://github.com/ganitam/systemd] “Systemd fork just before the Age Verification addition. Hoping more capable developers and maintainers do same…” - GSYT-Productions/systemd-fork [https://github.com/GSYT-Productions/systemd-fork] “The systemd System and Service Manager, without the stupid Age Verification” - speedythesnail/unremoved-systemd [https://github.com/speedythesnail/un*removed*-systemd] “The systemd System and Service Manager, without the removed age-verification commits” - ta13579/systemd [https://github.com/ta13579/systemd] “The systemd System and Service Manager WITHOUT THE FUCKING AGE CHECKS” - r4shsec/systemd-no-age-verification [https://github.com/r4shsec/systemd-no-age-verification] “This is systemd but without the age verification made via pull request https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40978 [https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40978]” - Pingasmaster/fightthesystemd [https://github.com/Pingasmaster/fightthesystemd] “Systemd without the nonsense: no age verification, no lighthouse built-in.” - Jeffrey-Sardina/system [https://github.com/Jeffrey-Sardina/systemd] “Liberated systemd – no surveillance. Ever.” - HaplessIdiot/systemd-saneagecheck [https://github.com/HaplessIdiot/systemd-saneagecheck] “The systemd System and Service Manager with age verification bypass and polling rate options for said feature” - Queer-Coded-LGBTQ/systemd-fuck-california [https://github.com/Queer-Coded-LGBTQ/systemd-fuck-california] “The systemd System and Service Manager, but without age bs added in.” - Codiak540/unshitted-systemd [https://github.com/Codiak540/unshitted-systemd] “A fork of systemd aiming to strip the Age verification. Sue me california.” Hopefully the energy of this reaction won’t be scattered among too many alternatives, although some amount of scattering is always good.

Show threadRobbo1d ago
the linux community is funny sometimes
Show threadSamskara1d ago

Yes, this whole thing is very silly. Linux installers ask for your full name already. You can just make one up. Same with the birthday.

The slippery slope total surveillance state paranoia is hysterical.

Show threadbearboiblake1d ago
“If you’ve got nothing to hide, you’ve got nothing to worry about”, people used to say. You don’t hear it as much, these days, probably because it is now such a transparently ignorant thing to say.
Show threadSamskara1d ago
You’re not forced to enter your true name or true birthdate. Do you have your true birthdate on your Steam account for example?
Show threadbearboiblake1d ago

Yes, not yet. That’s how they walk it in, a little at a time. First they add in the functionality, but don’t worry, you don’t have to enter your true birth date! Then, well meaning (or malicious) developers will start making use of that field, instead of asking you for it on a case-by-case basis. Then, more regulation will come down the pipe, requiring that the date of birth be sourced by some trusted provider. Soon enough, you need to use your government ID biometric chip to log in, and all of your activity is directly connected to your real-world identity. That is their end goal. That’s why they’re doing all of this.

The more important question here, why do you feel the need to defend this? What does this feature add to your operating system? How does it improve your computing experience?

Show threadiltg12h ago

not who you replied to but makes linux systems maliciously compliant so that you can still use them (say, in schools) without having your privacy violated.

your slippery slope argument could apply to any field of userdb: real name will require an id, location will require geolocation!

slippery slope is a logical fallacy, complain when systemd requires an id, not when it does the bare privacy-respecting minimum to comply with a silly law

Show threadbearboiblake12h ago

It isn"t malicious compliance at all, it is just compliance. This is exactly what the law requires, to a T. Windows and MacOS would implement it in an identical way.

You want to act like this field is just being added for no reason, and not for compliance with a law that is being created as part of a fabric of increasingly authoritarian age assurance, age-based restriction laws and a rising tide of fascism. A slippery slope argument is where someone claims negative consequences without evidence, there is plenty of reason to believe the goal is de-anonymization.

What benefits would this feature add for you? How would it improve your computer? Why is it being added now and not at the same time as name and location which were added literal decades ago?

Show threadDigit4h ago

de-anonymization

Not just.

The billionaires and epsteins and ghislaines want to protect our children, by knowing, when tracking everyone, where and who the children are.

Why wont everybody just switch off their brains and accept this already!?

Most frustrating.

;/

Show threadbearboiblake

Criminalizing sexuality and blocking teens from accessing adult content does make them more vulnerable to abuse, but honestly, I think this is a bit of a far cry - the Epstein class already has unlimited access to working class kids to abuse without these laws being added to the books. Look at how prolific their abuse was, and to how many levels of power it touched. They clearly had no problem at all finding kids to abuse.

I think this is far more about political control and censorship than it is anything to do with kids. “Think of the children” is one of the classic excuses used to justify totalitarian action, right up there with “preventing terrorism/crime”.

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