Chris SiebenmannIt has been '0' days since I found an incompatibility in Ubuntu 26.04 Rust coreutils: 'stty tabs'. Also, the uutils stty manpage is absolutely ass in 26.04.
Robert Pluim 🇪🇺@cks I'm curious what there is in Ubuntu that keeps you using it rather than some other Debian-based distro. I have a toy install running, but it keeps getting worse at every upgrade
@rpluim At the time we started (~20 years ago) it was our best option for long support + reasonably current + big package set. Today, Debian is pretty much as good on all three and we stay out of inertia and mild existing Ubuntu-specific knowledge.
Edit: also a predictable release schedule, a LTS every two years in April is easy to plan for.
@rpluim I expect Canonical to monetize ('enshittify') Ubuntu too much for us and for us to switch to Debian at some point within the next N years, for a value of N that fluctuates with my pessimism levels and Canonical's latest moves in that direction.
@cks My toy install already warns me that it's keeping back security fixes because I haven't subscribed to some Canonical service (which may be free for my case, but it still feels like a shakedown)
@rpluim Yeah, Canonical is already part way down the greasy slide towards various things. So far it hasn't been fatal for our use but I'm not optimistic about the trend.
(We've seen this show before with Red Hat Enterprise Linux, and CentOS for that matter, which Red Hat gutted when they decided they wanted more money from people.)
stephen@cks @rpluim The predictable LTS release and excellent package selection is what kept my work on Ubuntu. But I think we are switching away to anything else.
Changes to the 24.04 installer mid 2025 messed up some server installs. Problems with snaps. These problems you have with 26.04. Not great for a server OS.
@dmaonR @rpluim To be polite¹ to Ubuntu/Canonical, 26.04 is currently explicitly a daily development build before even a beta release. But we're so close to beta (officially the 26th) that I don't expect this issue to be fixed before then, and it's an extremely obvious issue that is trivial to automatically test in a VM.
(The entire installer can be driven through a configuration file.)
¹ (I refuse to be 'fair' to Canonical.)