not_IOusing github should've been a warning sign
AbsolutelyClawlessI run multiple containers from a single dev, and I could switch to someone else’s images, but it’s a hassle. Once I ran into an issue, I realized the sole support is provided on Discord. Which, whatever, I think it’s awful because it’s not openly searchable on the internet, but it’s his choice. However, what I found extremely dumb is ALL announcements, changelogs, including breaking changes, are posted exclusively on his Discord server. Nowhere else. And he acts all pissy about people stumbling into the server for help and not finding the exact announcement, and being trigger happy with the bans. I get people being dumb and not reading basic instructions, but this goes beyond that. Your whole fucking operation is on a closed Discord server with subpar search function.
Developing a FOSS project does not absolve you of any and all responsibility to not be shitty. In order for the system to work, everyone involved (developers and users alike) should be stewards of the commons.
What if someone is simply bad at dealing with people or have very limited time and can’t provide adequate support. Should they stop developing?
of it’s on an open, or semi-open, platform, then you can invite volunteers to help out.
discord is dogshit for that.
What if someone is bad at working with people and doesn’t want to work with anyone? Should they just stop developing FOSS?
that is exactly when you get someone from the community involved…that’s tge entire point of having a community.
If a developer wants to make a project available for public use and not provide support or allow a community to develop and fill that gap, they should at least blatantly state on the project page they aren’t willing to provide support and the project will always be as-is.
If even that’s too cumbersome for them, then I’ll say it, yeah they should pack up their toys and gtfo. That’s just operating in bad faith and they should seek different avenues if they want to continue developing, or hell, make their repos private and inaccessible to the public.
First time I see someone trying to dictate to other people what code they can and can’t make public. Nice. Should we start banning repos that don’t provide adequate support and information? Fuck their freedom of expression unless we can make make full use of their work, right?
Your bad faith arguments are transparent. I never said anything about banning, that was all you. If a dev doesn’t want to facilitate or allow a community to take over support for them then why make it publicly available? They can make their repo private and keep developing without exposing it to the public.
Your argument is in bad faith. No one said “ban” but you. In regards to their free speech, I think you might be forgetting that technically in the US, free speech is protected from government actions NOT those of private entities or individual members of the public. It wouldn’t be inappropriate at all if the FOSS community gave devs like the one described the proverbial boot.
they should pack up their toys and gtfo
That doesn’t mean “ban”? If this means “keep publishing your code the way you want and where you want” than there is some language barrier here.
ban - To refuse to allow (someone) to do something, go somewhere, or be a participant; exclude.
“You’re not banned from this community but get the fuck out”. That sounds weird to me.
So what does “get the fuck out” mean to you in this context?
gave devs like the one described the proverbial boot.
Just to be clear, still not taking about banning, right? Just about kicking someone out of the community?
technically in the US, free speech is protected from government actions
I’m not taking about freedom of speech by freedom of expression. The idea that I may have an app I build for personal use, I publish the code on github in case someone else want to use it, just take a look at the code to learn something or modify it for their needs and a guy like you shows up and says “you have to accept my issue report and fix it or say on your website that you don’t provide support. Get the fuck out otherwise, your project can’t be FOSS” is just insane to me. If that doesn’t sound insane to you than we have a fundamental disagreement about what FOSS is.
I meant someone who is bad at dealing with people and is perceived as “shitty”, i.e. is not a “steward of the commons”. It’s still their responsibility when developing FOSS so they should stop if they are not able to do it?
deegeeseSome people lack the skills to run a project and should stick to contributing code.
If you can’t collaborate, don’t lead the project.
Anyone can develop whatever the fuck they want in their free time and put it out there as open source, making them “leader of a project”.
No one forces you to use it or engage with it in any way.
No one forces you to use it or engage with it in any way.
The documentation is already posted on the discord.
Just post it on github, where the code resides already.
That’s not the point I am making.
Github at this point isn’t a good choice. The issue OP is having is that the documentation (changelogs, updates, etc) are solely on discord.
The documentation is done, and the maintainer only needs to take 5 mins and post it on the git repo as well.
Since apparently we’re allowed to make demands of FOSS projects now I’m saying I don’t want to use github so move it to gitlab or close you’re project. The code is done, just push it to a different repo.
hopefully nothing