They'll come demanding our votes any day now

https://lemmy.world/post/44669256

Although that is true, you were never promised a fair world.

You need to use all your cunning and what little power you have to best negotiate the one you live in. Being able to vote democrats in gave you two parties to play against each other. The option of a lesser evil.

By not voting, and allowing the republicans to stack the supreme court, non-voters gave away their last bargaining chip.

It is not the parties that will burn.

Don’t call them non voters. They made a choice and their vote is being counted by the analysts. They’re neutral voters.

At the Democrat strategy meetings where they run the numbers and decide on the party platform, these people are considered part of the “apolitical” demographic. The Democrats are stupid and will move the party platform rightwards to try and appeal to them. Principles don’t fix stupid.

To be fair, I live in a country where you can vote for a 3rd or 4th or 5th party and your vote still counts, because that’s how democracy should work.

In the US, I would probably be considered one of my ‘non-voters’.

In the US you would be considered a nuisance by the politicians of both established parties for feebly trying to disrupt their plan to usher in fascism under the guise of free choice. We’re not going to be able to work the sides against each other, because that’s like trying to call out from the audience of a play to try to influence how the story ends. Their actions are designed to influence us, not the other way around. The only way voting helps in the US is to buy time to coordinate the revolution while Democrats are still playing the role of the idiot.

We’re not going to be able to work the sides against each other, because that’s like trying to call out from the audience of a play to try to influence how the story ends

True, but you can influence the ending of a play by going backstage and putting on a costume. In America they call that a “primary” and it’s how Zohran Mamdani became the mayor.

True, but just because you put on a costume and go backstage that doesn’t mean you’ll get a lead role in the play, or even a role at all. I do vote in my primaries, and I’m very hopeful of Mamdani, especially with help from AOC and Bernie, but I can’t help but feel like I’m being tricked into pacificity; I picture a scenario were a few outspoken antagonists are allowed a place on the stage only to give the like-minded audience hope, but are never given a plot-relevant role.
I think it’s a big mistake to equate hope with inaction. Hope should spur you to act more. Don’t listen to these doomers who want you to do nothing.
When I say “hope” I mean “hope that things will resolve themselves without me having to do anything,” which is what nearly every left-leaning person I know in real life is hoping. It certainly doesn’t spur very many people to act more. They see Mamdani as “the world is healing,” which just means “great, I don’t need to change my behavior at all!”
You’re in a weird bubble. I know a New Yorker who volunteered for Zohran’s campaign and showed up to protest Luigi’s incarceration when he went to court. They’re a communist. They’re fighting for a better world and hope is making them fight harder.
That’s certainly good to hear. I hope that people are indeed taking this seriously, even as my own sphere never stopped claiming that Trump’s downfall was inevitable if we just keep our heads down and wait it out.
“Maybe we can do a bit more genocide to find a middle ground between those who want to kill latinos and those who dont”

Like I said, they’re stupid.

Like I said, principles don’t fix stupid. If you don’t vote, they’ll just act stupider.

if you voted for them you voted for genociders. You’re an utter piece of shit.

The two party system will prevail as long as you keep voting for the same two parties.

Because of your neutral vote, the Democrats are going further right and killing more kids. You’ve got blood on your hands.
Ah yes if you don’t vote for genociders you’re a genocider. Water is dry and war is peace.

Fuck the democrats. We still have to vote for whatever the other option is here. There are Christi-fascists in power right now. I would fucking love to get excited about a candidate that has an actual plan to materially improve the lives of the working class. But we are not in that position right now. We are fucked, so let’s get literally any non-fascist in to the Presidency. From there we have to find someone who will take us leftward.

Abstaining is a selfish position.

There is a path we have to follow to get where we need to be. Israel should be made to pay dearly for what they have done and continue to do. The entire government as well as anyone who has served in the IOF should be at The Hague.

Grow the hell up.

Yes at least the “non fascist” will only bomb foreigners and who cares about them am i right

The fuck are you on? There is no possible way to elect/install a leader that will end all of the military campaigns throughout the world. So rather than abstaining, which is stupid, we have to work with what we’ve got right now.

What’s your next edgy retort?

He doesn’t need to end ALL military campaigns throughout the world.

Just america’s

I should have been more explicit. Ending all of the US military campaigns throughout the world. Next?
yea americans bombing brown people is UNAVOIDABLE! There is no alternative. Kinda like the genocide in gaza, it’s nobody’s fault, just a fact of life.
If they know you will vote for them , there is zero reason why they would listen to you. Not a rocket science
Primary. NEXT!
The bullshit of the lesser of two evil apply on primaries. Most people still vote for the two parties so there is zero reason why they would listen to you.
Primaries are designed to manipulate your consent for their preferred candidate. Primaries have zero impact if you refuse to hold them accountable.

I’ve got some bad news about primaries. They are held by private organizations that

“could legally decide the candidate over cigars in a back room if they so chose.”

What youve got is a system that needs to be destroyed
Oh no doubt! My personal views on what I believe should happen are…not popular anywhere but in here and other similar places
Yeah! If you’re being fucked by the political class, you take the penis out first, and then you sock em in the jaw.

fuck the Democrats, but still vote for them because they are our only hope to continue the facism they’ve helped enable.

This is what you sound like

So you have to stop the fucking bleeding. The tourniquet is painful, but unfortunately is needed for the moment. I’m all for tearing the system down, but we have zero chance of that happening right now.

What’s your solution? An actual viable plan? Or do you decide not to participate?

Let’s come back to reality, where solutions are messy, and take time.

The opposite
Lesser evil doesn’t exist, that’s bs liberals tell themselves to distract from the fact they chose evil
Being unable to perceive a spectrum is a special kind of stupid. There are many degrees of bad, and many degrees of good.

There are!

The democrats are bad

Go vote in a primary
So they rig it for the 4th time in a row?

Gaza/Palestine would still be screwed, but would a Harris-Walz administration threaten Canada, attack Venezuela and capture Maduro, engage in piracy and extrajudicial killing in the Caribbean, attack Iran and cause the Hormuz Strait to close, put a tax (tariff) on virtually everything Americans buy? Would they encourage universities to arrest students for not being Israel cucks, would they make regulatory mergers contingent on fealty to them? Would they cancel land leases and try to cancel partially built offshore wind farms, and dump taxpayer money on companies to burn coal unnecessarily and to build oil and gas infrastructure? Would they continue the massive wealth transfer enabled by Republicans’ 2017 tax cuts or allow them to expire? Would immigration forces be used to kidnap random people on the street, and as a President Harris’ personal goon squad? Would they elect to blow up the relationship with virtually every allied country, such that they become hesitant when they actually need help?

This is just what I can think of off the top of my head. Not all evils are created equal. Trump, MAGA and Republicans are special breeds.

they encourage universities to arrest students for not being Israel cucks

They already were in California and NYC

Your vote has never made an impact on policy. Most nonvoters have realized this, their material conditions are unchanged regardless which shade of fascism is running government.

Yeah man.

Kamala would have deployed ICE on american cities, kidnapped Maduro and started a war with Iran. 🙄

Fuck outta here with “material conditions remain unchanged.” What a stupid and wildly priviliged thing to say.

She just supported over funding ice, funding a genocide than denying one was going on. Supported ‘the strongest, most lethal fighting force in the world.’

She was first term trump in blackface.

Edit,

And no material conditions didnt improve under biden. We saw the highest jump in homeless ever recorded. Auto repo s through the roof, credit card debt skyrocketed, 72% lived paycheck to paycheck.

Saying a black woman exists in blackface is crazy racist.

Holy shit.

The red triangles mean this is a Hamas supporter.

This comment means this is a genocide supporter.

(I, too, am incapable of nuance.)

Oh nooo how dare they support the only armed force defending people against a genocide
Iran is trying to stop a genocide, not sure its working. We’re just really good at genociding, even by proxy.
Shut up zionazi

These Republican assistants start up earlier and earlier every year with their ‘Don’t vote’ shitick.

Notice how they never advocate for doing anything just making life worse for everyone.

Fuck off, socialists and communists don’t vote for right wing POS like Democrats or Republicans and this is a communist space.

Democrats have made our life worse by lying about who they are. They don’t care about the working class, they are owned by the same bankers, CEOs, and lobbyists that own Republicans

Go vote in a primary instead of being a doomer
“They both suck so I’ll just sit here, do nothing about it and complain while they go wild and unchecked. That’ll show 'em!”

Who says we’re doing nothing?

You think voting is the only form of working to change the world around you?

What people on the left are telling you is that voting will not fix this. You better try something different.

Referring to the guy saying he doesn’t vote. Voting isn’t the only way to affect change, and it’s certainly not the only thing I’m doing about everything happening in the USA right now, but not voting because you just don’t like either one is exactly how we got to the place we’re in right now in the first place

They criticized my party and revealed their hypocrisy, reeeee they must be working for Putin, Trump, republicans, reeeee.

The “do something” stage passed 50 years ago but yous decided to swallow the capitalists exceptionalism propaganda and demonized serving the public as “communism” or “socialism” and then collectively shuddered your head up your own ass.

And NOW when you’re reaping what you sowed, all you have is “notice they don’t have a solution”?

Who do you think we are, your shepherds where we’re supposed to give you solutions for shit you made?

You fucking idiots never learn and it shows.

It doesn’t matter now. The Democrats will likely never win another presidential election again.

You’re the problem. They are politicians. If you give them permission to do nothing, that’s exactly what they’ll do.

Right now, the love donor money more than they fear us. We must change that. We have to make them fear us, and the severe consequences of defying us. WE are in charge, they only hold office because of our votes. We have to wield our power ruthlessly, and threaten them into representing us properly, or they will be voted out, and even prosecuted if their intransigence was bad enough.

They will almost certainly walk into 2028 with a trifecta.

If you want a socialist / progressive president then this is the best shot you’ve ever had.

Democrats need to go back to combating hypercapitalism, that portion of politics was the most popular in all of US history up until the late 1900s.

I can explain it like this: The most popular president in history is either George Washington, or Franklin D Roosevelt. Washington could have been king, but set it aside (undisputed badass). FDR was the only president in history to be elected for more than 2 terms (he was elected as president 4 times). FDR helped usher in those “magical” 95%+ tax rates on millionaires and implemented strict business and wealth restrictions. FDR’S “socialist” programs were insanely popular, even amongst non-democrats… no one could successfully run against him. We need someone like that.

Democrats need to go back to combating hypercapitalism

Guessing that, looking at their own stock portfolios and exploding wealth, and now their ability to increase it exponentially by insider betting on prediction markets, that they don’t feel the urgent need to do much of anything about it beyond pretending to give a shit and then trying to curb stomp any real progressive who gains traction, like they did to Mamdani and Graham Platner.