floofloofThe FCC decided that all foreign-made consumer-grade Internet routers are prohibited from receiving FCC authorization and are therefore prohibited from being imported for use or sale in the US.
… does America even manufacture routers?
empireOfLove2We don’t lol
Electronics manufacture of any kind has been heavily outsourced since at least 1995.
That only means we’re going to take over a country that makes routers.
China? Yeah fat chace
n7gifmdnIt depends on their version the fcc is considering “manufactured”. If they mean it in a literal sense, there’s pretty much just starlink. If they mean it can be an American company but put together overseas then there’s plenty, like Netgear and Linksys.
linksys is owned by foxconn since 2018, the times when they were cheap brand of cisco are long gone.
I think the last time that was the case, they were called modems and made by US Robotics.
Shortly after the chips and components started coming from Japan and eventually Taiwan.
This is just their way of saying they want state sponsored backdoors into all private home networks.
Or, guess what, the next thing will be that all new domestically produced routers will require ID verification before they’ll connect.
every 6 hours.
They don’t want to, they already have it and just don’t want people to be able to avoid it.
en.wikipedia.org/…/Communications_Assistance_for_…
requiring that telecommunications carriers and manufacturers of telecommunications equipment modify and design their equipment, facilities, and services to ensure that they have built-in capabilities for targeted surveillance
teftIf foreign made routers pose a severe cybersecurity risk then why would you let the current ones on the market stay? If they were truly a problem you’d remove them from the market, not grandfather them.
But like everything with this capricious administration the real reason they’re doing this is probably because someone greased their palms.
doesn’t cover ISP or commercial equipment
The foreign backdoors will stay for critical infrastructure
Conditional approvals - it’s a bribe scheme. Companies can ask for exceptions. Sure they wouldn’t Grease any palms…
They bulit the bribe into the law:
“Producers of consumer-grade routers that receive Conditional Approval from DoW or DHS can continue to receive FCC equipment authorizations. Interested applicants are encouraged to submit applications to [email protected].”
And it’s going to suck BALLS
$150 will get you a mini PC that you can run OPNsense on. Hopefully they don’t ban WiFi access points next.
there is not much wifi access points that are not routers at the same time and i doubt that said regulation would make such a minor a distinction.
unfortunately we can only guess, because only official document i have found is as vague as the news reports.
www.fcc.gov/supplychain/coveredlist
Routers^ produced in a foreign country, except routers which have been granted a Conditional Approval by DoW or DHS.
AppoxoThere are. Just need to shop in the business side of the store and not consumer. At worst pro-sumer.
there are some but they are definitely in the minority. also this regulation is focused on home and soho devices, it specifically mentiones tp-link, which is really not enterprise brand.
You’re being pretty stubborn about your positions but you’re misinformed/ignorant.
There are SO many Wi-Fi access points that aren’t routers, but a combo router is what most home users buy or get from their ISP. So that’s what you think is “most” when in reality the consumer market is dwarfed by commercial.
TP-Link has Omada which is not as enterprise as CISCO but it definitely supports small and medium sized businesses, which are at the greatest risk to vulnerabilities due to low IT department skills.
Access points and routers are usually separate once you get away from the consumer grade stuff. The people that run OPNsense at home often use MikroTik or Ubiquiti access points.
also i don’t think there is single mikrotik that can’t function as a router. the fact you can configure them as software bridge does not change that.
the rest answered here:
there are some but they are definitely in the minority. also this regulation is focused on home and soho devices, it specifically mentiones tp-link, which is really not enterprise brand.
also the regulation from what i found is so vague, that i suspect that for the author router equals to “that white box with antenna sitting on my table” and is very likely they have no clue about difference between l2 and l3 layer and what router actually is.
There are many access points that are not routers.
Outsourcing of maufactoring work is forbidden now? LOL
I worked for an MSP that sold those products for all use cases. The Mikrotik home routers(with wifi) are the best you can buy, if you can figure them out. Most people run at least one Ubquity ap to get higher band radio coverage for their homes.
Yeah, heard a lot of good stuff, so I recently bought Chateau 5G R17 ax (I live in a rural area, but I do have 5g tower nearby and speeds are 5x better than they are on broadband). RouterOS blew me away and I realized there is so much I don’t know, but getting there.
There is a demo online: demo.mt.lv
RememberTheApollo_Force consumers into US made, AI-laden, crappy hardware full of backdoors for the regime.
glad a built my own last year.
RivalarrivalThis only applies to routers.
It’s not widely known outside the ham radio community, but part of the 2.4GHz wifi band overlaps the 13cm amateur radio band. If you turn off 5GHz wifi and lock the 2.4GHz AP to Channel 1, it qualifies as a ham radio, and can be sold as a ham radio instead of an AP/Router. You do need a ham radio license to operate it as a Ham AP, but you do not need a license to buy a Ham AP.
If the end user wants to turn on 5GHz after the fact, there is not a damn thing the FCC can do about it.
Lol nice
But you can’t run encryption on it. So that means no WEP, no WPA, no SSL, TLS, VPN, etc.
So yes, while you could run your own wireless access point, it doesn’t solve the main requirement for most people which is privacy.
You aren’t understanding my point.
My point is that you can continue toimport and sell the exact same physical device, just with a little change in marketing, and possibly software.
My point is this: Once you have acquired the device, there is fuck all the FCC can do about you converting your “ham radio” back into a consumer-grade router.
That deals with the need for a WiFi access point, but not the main router functionality. Another approach would be a low-power PC running OPNsense or PFsense with a WiFi card repurposed as an access point. Or, if the new policy concerns only routers and not access points, a PC for the router plus a dedicated WiFi access point (some device that is not capable of being a router).
tabularOnly the US is allowed to spy on it’s denizens!!1
People not being sure what their router is actually doing is the issue. Instead of hoping for local manufactoring why not mandate against black box software running on the router? Mandate routers come with schematics like all electronics used to do? Promote computer literacy while you’re at it.
bearboiblakeSorry, are you expecting the government, which is owned and controlled by the ruling class, to make legal changes which would go against their own interests? Haven’t you been paying attention?
If you want change, there’s only one way for us to get it, and it’s through a social revolution.
But that would be a sensible approch and strengthen the consumer. Not in the interest of the oligarchy.
A nice thought. But the Great Unwashed Masses do not care. They want a Quick Start Guide that just says “Plug it in” and no other steps required. They want the black box because they don’t want to learn and understand.
And that attitude is less about the oligarchy and a lot more about all lazy people.
ValmondI’ll just keep building my own