Bruce Lawson ✅ ♫ ♿ ✌️♂️✊20h ago
A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?
Show threadGary 19h ago

@brucelawson it's more than a little bit Devil's Advocate, but I'm struggling to see how this is fraud other than that it cost Spotify $8m

The money certainly didn't get diverted away from other more deserving artists. (*edit* apparently it does, as Spotify no longer pays artists per stream, but as a percentage of overall streams). It's only Spotify that's out of pocket because someone gamed their broken business model.

Fuck 'em 😒

(But of course we all know who the US courts will side with)

Show threadAlessandro Corazza 🇨🇦19h ago

@WiteWulf

Yeah, same - at worst this seems a violation of Spotify ToS for siccing fake listeners on their servers. Nothing was taken from other artists, and Spotify allowed him to upload the deluge of AI slop tracks in the first place.

@brucelawson

Show threadTor Iver Wilhelmsen18h ago
@alessandro @WiteWulf @brucelawson The court, obviously, disagreed with your whitewashing of the fraud.
Show threadAmoshias18h ago

@toriver @alessandro @WiteWulf @brucelawson I like how you start by assuming that it's fraud, and then attack the person who you are responding to for going against your assumption!

care to support your assertion that it is fraud? it certainly MIGHT be! but you're definitely wrong about what "the court" said - he pled guilty, there was no court ruling in this case.

Show threadGary 17h ago
@Amoshias @toriver @alessandro @brucelawson the justice.gov website literally calls it “music streaming fraud”. There was no assumption made.
Show threadAmoshias17h ago

@WiteWulf @toriver @alessandro @brucelawson so the people accusing him said it was fraud

and your response to that is "case closed, it's fraud."

I hope you are never accused of a crime.

Show threadGary 16h ago

@Amoshias @toriver @alessandro @brucelawson no, my initial argument in this thread (if you read allllllll the way back) was “I’m struggling to see how this is fraud”. Someone else then had a go about making assumptions that it was fraud. There is no assumption, it’s a fraud case, justice.gov says so. That doesn’t mean I suddenly agree that it *is* fraud, just that I didn’t make an assumption that the accusation was fraud when I said I was struggling with it.

Read, the, thread

*sigh*

Show threadAmoshias
@WiteWulf @toriver @alessandro @brucelawson you realize that I wasn't initially responding to you, right?
Mar 23 at 6:43pmWeb
Show threadAlessandro Corazza 🇨🇦16h ago

@Amoshias

The way you're quoting posts makes it unclear who you're talking to. I suggest adding a line break like I did here, so that we can see who you're talking to and leaving he others CCed at the bottom. I'd also suggest being less aggressive - we're just having a friendly conversation here.

@WiteWulf @toriver @brucelawson

Show threadAmoshias16h ago

@alessandro

thank you for the formatting advice!

as for the tone advice I'm just responding in the tone of who I'm responding to:-)

@WiteWulf @toriver @brucelawson

Show threadGary 16h ago
@Amoshias @toriver @alessandro @brucelawson no, that wasn’t at all obvious.