Calum Andrew MorrellDo people really use emacs?
I thought it was the sort of thing you tell children to frighten them.
*returns to neovim*
Rob Hughes@calum Emacs is the first thing I install on a new computer!
@robhughes ...to remind you why you don't use it? 😌
@robhughes I've just done a quick check and discovered emacs isn't installed by default with Debian. Maybe I should install it and see what it's like. I'll only have to overcome ~34 years of vi/vim/neovim usage!
Bob Thomson@calum @robhughes I’m sure I tried it a little while on my Amiga. At that time I had mainly used TPU on VMS and really did not like vi on SunOS, until I started working in IT and started to properly learn vi and now I can’t even be arsed with VSCode and such without vi keybindings.
@bobthomson70 @robhughes I don't recall ever using a cli editor on the Amiga, despite working in the shell extensively and writing arexx scripts to automate client work in Pagestream 3 and Wordsworth.
Dear Cod I miss the Amiga and those programs.
@calum @bobthomson70 I also had an Amiga! I miss it, too.
@robhughes @bobthomson70 I see a LOT of Workbench in Gnome, KDE and even MacOS. Especially after augmenting Workbench with the likes of Magic Menus.
@calum It may not make sense if you're already very used to vim.
I don't take full advantage of the keyboard shortcuts for editing. I regularly use the emacs scratch buffer as a calculator.
@robhughes I suspect the vast majority of the vi vs emacs rivalry is purely down to what people became used to first. I was using vi, sed & awk on NetBSD 0.9 on an Amiga A1200 and then HPUX long before I'd even heard of emacs. So I never bothered to learn.
Maybe I'll find the time to try. Perhaps configure it for Rust or Python and use it for a while.
Thomas Svensson 🖖
and haven't looked back. Absolutely loving it with @tsvenson I'm using Astronvim with Neovim. I did run my own setup for a while, but i don't understand the ecosystem well enough to do a good enough job... yet.
I started the hard way too, trying to config my own. But when I stumbled on LazyVim I stopped, quickly realizing it is the GOAT.
Still happy spending all that time trying myself, learned so much useful that way.
@tsvenson absolutely. I'll inevitably go back to doing so again at some point. I've spent time with the astronvim config files and realised... I would want to do something far less complex!
Yeah, to even get into the same galaxy as the experts I would have to spend 99+% on just Neovim config, thus virtually no time actually using it for my own projects 😆