My biggest problem with the concept of LLMs, even if they weren’t a giant plagiarism laundering machine and disaster for the environment, is that they introduce so much unpredictability into computing. I became a professional computer toucher because they do exactly what you tell them to. Not always what you wanted, but exactly what you asked for.

LLMs turn that upside down. They turn a very autistic do-what-you-say, say-what-you-mean commmunication style with the machine into a neurotypical conversation talking around the issue, but never directly addressing the substance of problem.

In any conversation I have with a person, I’m modeling their understanding of the topic at hand, trying to tailor my communication style to their needs. The same applies to programming languages and frameworks. If you work with a language the way its author intended it goes a lot easier.

But LLMs don’t have an understanding of the conversation. There is no intent. It’s just a mostly-likely-next-word generator on steroids. You’re trying to give directions to a lossily compressed copy of the entire works of human writing. There is no mind to model, and no predictability to the output.

If I wanted to spend my time communicating in a superficial, neurotypical style my autistic ass certainly wouldn’t have gone into computering. LLMs are the final act of the finance bros and capitalists wrestling modern technology away from the technically literate proletariat who built it.

@EmilyEnough as a non-autistic person, they are also horrible at the other communication styles, since those require comprehension and intuition. Like, I can’t read what an LLM is getting at because it’s not getting at anything. It’s a parlor trick at best, with no memory and no real relationship with me.

And yeah, the whole point of computers was to have something more dependable and predictable than human capacities, especially in…computing. Like, it’s almost impressive to make a computer bad at computing.

@JoscelynTransient "as a non-autistic person" says the lady with a hyperfixation on a cartoon character she strives to personify
@twipped I swear it’s just the adhd…I swear! 🤭
@JoscelynTransient @twipped I mean... If you're going to have an autistic hyper-focus on an ADHD cartoon character, Harley Quinn is the one...
@JoscelynTransient @twipped As a total side note, I love how the HowToADHD girl has started an entire YouTube career around infodumping about ADHD coping strategies and hasn't come out as autistic yet.
@faithisleaping @twipped hey, adhd people also hyper focus and infodump! This isn’t only an autistic thing 😝

@faithisleaping @twipped going to leave this here too. Kinda don’t like where this joke is heading, cause it’s kind of miserable having people deny one’s ADHD symptoms 😕

https://chaosfem.tw/@JoscelynTransient/116279171368684989

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@[email protected] on a serious note though, I really am not on the spectrum. Seriously considered it, but I fail almost every aspect, from not getting overstimulated and needing to actively work to understand what causes that for my autistic friends to being guilty of failing to be explicit and direct enough with autistic friends and causing communication difficulties (thanks to living in Japan and Japanese language contexts for a number of years, I actually sometimes am too indirect for neurotypical USians even). A person can just be severely ADHD and have the overlapping manifestations like hyperfocus, communication difficulties with more neurotypically-aligned folks, and Infodumping. To be a bit more direct: It does feel a bit invalidating to have people insist ADHD doesn’t exist or have some of these manifestations, so would really encourage people not to do that please?

Chaosfem

@JoscelynTransient I'm sorry. I was just being playful. I didn't mean to deny your ADHD struggles. FWIW, I can usually clock an autistic person at a mile and I'm also pretty sure you're not. I'm just making dumb (and apparently insensitive) jokes.

@twipped

@faithisleaping @twipped oh, I knew you were joking around…it just was building really quickly in a direction that made me uncomfortable. I also suspect I might be on my period and extra sensitive right now 😅

And for the record, I would be very happy to also be autistic if that was the case. And I was giggling at first too with the jokes.

@JoscelynTransient I'm sitting here with both, and I can infodump in two different modes. They feel very different, even if they look the same from the outside.
@twipped @faithisleaping

@thatfrisiangirlish Okay, I'm very curious about this distinction, would you mind elaborating? Asking for, uhm, me.

@twipped @JoscelynTransient @faithisleaping

@anyia This is largely a work in progress for myself, as well, so there are some edges that I'm not too sure about myself, and it's definitely a subjective thing - this certainly works like that for me, but for yo or anyone else, I don't have the faintest idea.

Type A is mostly structured, and basically there to share something with you that I find extremely interesting. To do this justice, and to give you the full picture like you deserve, I have to give you the exhaistive rundown. I looked hard into this, and I'm just so excited to share this with you! This is mostly motivated by some need to share, meant to convey a complex bit of information, and I'll probably get upset if you're not excited, as well.

Type B is more exploratory, where I mostly verbalize the train of thought going on in my head. And believe you me, I can think and speak like an extremely pedantic text book. What I say draws on other things I know, but I am not quite sure where this one goes. This is mostly motivated by sharing my thoughts on a topic as they happen, meant to collaboratively work on a topic, but unfortunately, I'll get very upset if you cut into this, because that's cutting right into my thought process, and who likes to be interrupted just as you have an idea at the tip of your tongue.

Anyway, I don't know which belongs where, or even if they belong to specific neurotypes, but it is a hypothesis. From the outside, both probably feel quite like getting this text read at you at pretty high speed.

@twipped @JoscelynTransient @faithisleaping

@thatfrisiangirlish neat, thank you! I'd say I'm more likely to venture down path B. Path A feels like a lot of prep work. Or maybe it's a mix of the two? Often as I'm explaining something I realise I need to detour to provide necessary foundational knowledge, before returning to the first train of thought. Sometimes I get lost in the nesting.

@twipped @JoscelynTransient @faithisleaping

@anyia There's not really much specific preparation involved in Type A infodumps. Preparation in immersing myself enough to do it, yes, but I did that, anyway, because I wanted to for my own reasons?
For example, the genetics of horse coats. I could spontaneously give a little speech and presentation about the Leopard complex that feels like I only lack a presentation running in the background to give it on a stage somewhere, but that's just from the whole topic well understood and filed away. It was definitely a useful trait to have in university, when no one in the group actually prepared their part in the presentation, but since I understood what we were writing about...
@twipped @JoscelynTransient @faithisleaping

@twipped on a serious note though, I really am not on the spectrum. Seriously considered it, but I fail almost every aspect, from not getting overstimulated and needing to actively work to understand what causes that for my autistic friends to being guilty of failing to be explicit and direct enough with autistic friends and causing communication difficulties (thanks to living in Japan and Japanese language contexts for a number of years, I actually sometimes am too indirect for neurotypical USians even).

A person can just be severely ADHD and have the overlapping manifestations like hyperfocus, communication difficulties with more neurotypically-aligned folks, and Infodumping. To be a bit more direct: It does feel a bit invalidating to have people insist ADHD doesn’t exist or have some of these manifestations, so would really encourage people not to do that please?