Grégoire

Typical #CrossBorderRail moment: DB informs me that I will be delayed in Hamburg; but the onboard screen doesn’t show any delays at all after the Danish border.

*Insert mandatory data sharing between railway companies speech from @jon here*

In other news, this is also my first time on one of the Talgo train sets used on Copenhagen-Hamburg. First impression is that the seats are a little hard, not fun for a 4.5h journey.

Mar 23 at 2:33pmWeb
Show threadJon WorthMar 23
@grlodi Hmmm, but you are still in Denmark, right? That must mean DB knows something is wrong with the track or signals German side... But given DB and DSB use similar backends for data I am not sure why they cannot exchange info here.
Show threadGrégoireMar 23

@jon Yes, still in DK. My guess was that the person responsible to update the timetable on the danish side didn’t care about updating anything in Germany, but if they use the same systems it’s even more of a mystery!

Also fun side note: for whatever (unexplained) reason, the ECE was cancelled between Copenhagen and Ringsted so everyone had to first board an overcrowded IC to Ringsted and then change. I wonder why they couldn’t depart from CPH given previous ECE 398 seems to have been on time.

Show threadGrégoireMar 23
@jon and the lateness is explained from this weird departure I think. I wouldn’t blame DB infra (yet) on that one.
Show threadJon WorthMar 23
@grlodi DSB or Denmark has some problem currently with data and live running. So it is not DB this time!
Show threadStefan LindbohmMar 23

@jon @grlodi I don’t think any data sharing of live info exists outside of Railteam members yet..? I certainly never saw a single data source showing both DK and DE live data, so the info screens in coaches need to pick one. Seems they chose the DK data.

(In DB Navigator going the other direction it projects delays based on the time in Padborg, but that isn’t actually live data in DK.)

Show threadJon WorthMar 23
@stefanlindbohm @grlodi RNE in Wien runs a data sharing system for live running data. Many more than Railteam members use it, at least internally.
Show threadStefan LindbohmMar 23

@jon Ah, that’s good to know! I never saw any signs of that in carriers’ info channels though, at least not across Scandinavian or Italian border crossings (where I have traveled recently and can recall the experience).

@grlodi

Show threadJon WorthMar 23
@stefanlindbohm @grlodi Germany-Benelux, Germany-Czechia, even Poland partially it works.
Show threadJon WorthMar 23

@grlodi Talgo? 🤷‍♂️ All sorts of headaches with those trains still.

re the data - I'd wager it's something in DB's RIS, but I cannot access that as I am not a DB employee 🙂

Show threadGrégoireMar 23

@jon There’s a Talgo employee on board (orange vest with Talgo label) looking around, so I guess that was indeed a Talgo problem. Hurray for DB!

Now I just hope we will arrive not too late to avoid missing my connection in Hamburg.

Show threadJon WorthMar 23
@grlodi Politely enquire with them what is wrong 🤣
Show threadGrégoireMar 23
@jon I wanted to but I haven’t seen them in a while! I might on a hunt 😄
Show threadMichaelMar 23
@grlodi
@jon similar anecdata from yesterday evening: RJ82 going (I think) from Bologna to München Hbf. I got on in Innsbruck where it was 17 minutes late. Onboard systems showed projected arrival times for further stops (delay stays more or less the same). After Rosenheim (first stop in Germany) the screens switched to showing the train on time (it clearly wasn't) for the last two stops (München Ost and München Hbf) while Train manager was announcing the delay over loudspeaker at the same time.
Show threadJon WorthMar 23
@das_aug @grlodi That line across the Brenner is legendary for ridiculously bad live info. Within Italy it only even shows as going as far as the border. The data systems *EXIST* to solve all of this, but so many railways simply do not use them. (DE-BE on a ICE it works solidly meanwhile)
Show threadTeilkaskoMar 23
@grlodi Watch out for the single-door ramp operations at Padborg border station. The train manager will most likely announce something like everyone planning to get off there shall come to the door of one particular coach.
Show threadGrégoireMar 23
@Teilkasko What?! Is the platform not at adequate height? Craziness
Show threadTeilkaskoMar 23

@grlodi The platform seems to be lower than the train floor. My assumption is that the coaches were built without stairs since it was drafted as "low floor" model and thus a too low platform could lead to a too large difference in height.

But only wild speculations here. After all, the train _was_ ordered by the Danes themselves and Padborg is a Danish station, so I would assume that there would be awareness of the platform heights to be considered on the intended line of service.

Show threadGrégoireMar 23

@Teilkasko I’m seeing this now, it’s hard to believe it. There’s about 10 people disembarking which is not many, but still feels weird.

cc @jon might be interesting for you if you didn’t already know.

Show threadJon WorthMar 23
@grlodi oh l know. Sadly. Stupid train.
Show threadJon WorthMar 23
@Teilkasko @grlodi yes it’s that. But most Danish platforms are 55cm height, Talgo is designed for 76cm. So this „step free“ train isn’t step free in the country that ordered it. And Padborg platforms are 33cm or something.
Show threadNiels FranckMar 23
@grlodi @jon also ultra fast from Padborg to Schleswig. In fairness there is a lot of buffer in the schedule south of Padborg. So maybe they think they can catch up?
Show threadJon WorthMar 23
@nielsTFranck @grlodi see the other replies. There’s some issue with live running data not working in Denmark today.