Bruh
Back in the 1980s the idea of being gay was NOT something that was openly accepted in America. You could be attacked, or worse, if the right crowd decided you needed to pay for your lifestyle.
Around this same time, Reagan had completely changed how prisons were funded. Before, it mostly came out of the pockets of the government. And after Reagan, we got what we have now. Prisons for profit.
Which meant conditions went way down, almost overnight, and prison populations started to boom. Because before, prisoners were a burden on tax dollars. If you arrested someone for jaywalking, you now had to convince a judge why a jaywalker belonged in prison.
But now, with megacorporations footing the bill, the expansions of the prison systems could explode. If you paid for prisons to be built and you made profit on each prisoner, you wanted them full.
Which meantâŚTHE WAR ON DRUGS!
So, now you have massive populations of prisoners, all being held for crimes that shouldnât carry a long sentence, and in many cases, never even happened.
What this meant is, these prisons became almost a community among the prisoners. And as such, you inevitably had gay prisoners.
So to signal to the other prisoners that you were gay, and wanted to get fucked in the ass, youâd wear your pants a little loose, and a little low. The look became known as âsaggingâ. And for about 10 years, nobody outside of prisons knew about it.
Then the 90s came, and these prisoners started getting released. And they continued sagging outside of prison, even though it no longer carried the same weight. It just became a fashion sense among urban communities without a trace of its former meaning.
So when I see this pictureâŚitâs likeâŚTOO on the nose. Thats not pants sagging, thatâs pants dropping. The ironic thing is, if you told him that look signaled him as the bitch of the group, heâd probably be very angry. Especially since in the 90s being gay STILL wasnât socially acceptable.
Naw, you bought into an urban myth. Why would prisoners put up with such an inconvenience just to signal homosexuality? Especially when you already had signals used outside of prison like having an earring in the right ear, that system of handkerchiefs they used in the '70s, and so forth. It would be like signaling your sexual orientation by walking around with your shoelaces untied.
Children in poor families often inherit clothing from siblings when they grow out of them. That pair of pants was too small on your brother, but itâs still too big on you. What was originally an inconvenience becomes fashionable because everybody in your neighborhood was doing it. This is so common that itâs caught on and now people are doing it on purpose.
Something similar happened with soul food. Enslaved people were given food that used to be thrown away. They found a way to make it taste good, and it became a cultural marker.
Donât hate systemd for age verification
Hate systemd for its monolithic, anti-Unix design pattern
Ok. Hereâs the thing. I donât know how linux works. I donât know what systemd is. All I know is that all around the world we got clowns who know less about linux than I do trying to dictate the entire worldwide internet to cater to their specific geographical location, regardless of where the user is.
Then I hear systemd is openly trying to bow at the knee before these laws are even in effect.
And yes, the current system is you as a user inputting your birthday with zero verification.
But the gov of california has already said that before these laws go into effect theyâll be looking for stricter laws with checks in place. These systems are not in place now. Nor do they even know what they will turn out to be.
When asked about this, the gov said âWeâre working on it.â
Then systemd comes along, ready to bend all of linux to their whims. So I put two and two together and decided this whole thing is pissing me off.
ok so tell me why Iâm waiting for networking to come up before Iâm allowed to interact with my computer
Also, its monolithic as heck, its a giant squid into my networking, time management, access controlâŚ
Ontop of that⌠binary logs ew.
ok so tell me why Iâm waiting for networking to come up before Iâm allowed to interact with my computer
Because your distro sets up stuff weirdly? At least I never noticed networkd to be a dependency of multi-user.target, could be wrong though.
Also, its monolithic as heck, its a giant squid into my networking, time management, access controlâŚ
Thatâs all optional though, many distros just use it because itâs easier than the alternatives.
Ontop of that⌠binary logs ew.
Yeah, thatâs indeed stupid. No clue why they did that.
Pervasive, yes. Deeply embedded in the district that is it, absolutely. And I get why people donât like binary logs, although that isnât exactly relevant to monolithic vs pluggable.
You seem to think that Iâm arguing against your opinion that systemd is bad. Iâm not. Iâm arguing against the false statement that it is monolithic. It isnât. Itâs modular, like the linux kernel. If you wanted to remove every component except the init system, you could. Big pain in the ass to do that, but you could.
The issue is that Linux shouldnât be making any attempts to handle this at all.
If the various governments are going to try and require this, they can make and maintain their own forks and accept all the responsibility and risk that entails. Or the businesses beholden to the laws can. We have no obligation to make this easier on them, and every reason to make it harder.
If various Linux (and Linux software/component) maintainers would hold the line, weâd be fine.
The godawful mess of what would come from all of these different groups scrambling to implement their own solutions would be the fucking point. The most effective way to manage upwards at people who donât understand or want to listen is to make them feel pain for their shitty decisions.
Why though, I sure love having a load of script files in a folder doing the boot things.
I can easily add another.
Why system not boot, help
/s
Itâs not about âthe unix philosophyâ.
Itâs about how one project is trying to do more, and more, and more, and more, and trying to entrench itself as deeply as possible so you canât just use something else if you donât like it.
(Oh, and this new political stuff? Now thereâs a concrete reason to use something else.)
The problem with systemd isnât technical, itâs political, IMO. Oh I mean sure thereâs plenty of technical reasons to hate it too (binary logs anyone?), but thatâs not the main problem.
systemd would actually be pretty nice, if it stuck to just being a service manager. Unfortunately, yeah.
Oh, and everyone ALWAYS goes âoh but the only other option is a hodgepodge of scripts! you donât want a hodgepodge of scripts! bow down and accept systemdâ. Ever seen, like, any of the other init systems that are out there? Weâre running OpenRC right now and itâs pretty fantastic. (Granted, sysv scripts are still the lowest common denominator, but there are other options. OpenRCâs got declarative service files too, and theyâre actually way nicer than systemdâs service files when you need to break out of the declarative format and do a little script stuff. systemd made us stuff everything into one line.)
And before you dismiss me as Just Some Oldheadâ˘, we actually moved to Linux (from Mac) well AFTER systemd was already entrenched. So this isnât a âyou hate changeâ thing.
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The âpolitical stuffâ about the birthdate field is completely overblown, as per usual with systemd. Binary logs arenât that big a deal either. Like Torvalds said, those are details you can disagree with but it doesnât mean you should dismiss the entire project because of it. Your comment is probably the first one Iâve read in this community that doesnât boil down to: âI read somewhere that systemd doesnât follow unix philosophy, yuck!â. That was kind of my entire point.
I wouldnât even complain about it, if people here just stuck to shitposting instead of this thinly wrapped âI like/dislike X, please fight about it in the comments :)â bait.