Posts by PMs claiming they can now contribute complete features by vibe coding is the scariest shit ever. Not as an engineer but as an inhabitant of this world.

I understand Dunning-Kruger is not a thing but we NEED a term for this kind of ignorance-based overconfidence.

@hynek idiocy
@lechimp @hynek Eh, if anything I think people who have cognitive issues would be less susceptible to this, just because they're not getting gassed up about their ~leadership~ all the time
@clayote @hynek hate to be that guy on the interwebs, BUT: the etymology of “idiot” its quite interesting, as it does describe someone who stays out of public life and politics (not someone who is mentally incapable). so there is some interesting element of choice and deliberate ignorance there, see? =)
@lechimp @hynek Well, that would be interesting if you were proposing a new term that used the same root, but I don't think anyone hearing "idiot" today is going to think of any meaning from prior to its use as a diagnostic term
@clayote to me “idiot” never had any diagnostic conotation, only in “idiopathic”. also “idiotic” to me doesn’t mean the same as “dump” or “stupid”. when i discovered the origin it actually made sense to me regarding contemporary usages. but that might just be me or maybe some subtle differences in german and english usage of that word. 🤷
@lechimp Oh, yeah, the use as an insult derives from its use as a diagnostic category by early 20th century eugenicists, particularly this one American, Henry Goddard https://www.eugenicsarchive.ca/encyclopedia?id=53480acd132156674b0002c3&view=reader
Mental deficiency: idiot, imbecile, and moron • Encyclopedia • Eugenics Archive

@lechimp And that usage has held on for a long time; here's the commercial for the original Dumb & Dumber, where the narrator reads the eugenic definition of "idiot" to you

Nobody seemed to notice the eugenics connection, or care

https://youtu.be/gqHe6UcaCXI?t=24

Dumb and Dumber Movie Trailer 1994

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@clayote i’m not sure if you are actually open for any insight or if you just want to be right on the internet. anyway: i think the connection to eugenics might actually be much stronger in the english speaking world (?) than in germany. which definitely is news to me. english vs german wikipedia pages are quite different and telling. german one eg mentions Cusanus’ use of the word (english doesn’t) while that (pseudo-)psychiatric use you mention is front in english and a sidenote in german.

@clayote there also is some scientific essay called „The survival of ancient Greek social type terms in the German language“ referenced in that wikipedia page. so maybe there actually is some difference in terms here, although the same word is used.

anyway, i do not want to invoke any reference to eugenics, so i will definitely be more careful with that word in english language contexts (and probably in german as well…)

@lechimp I realize I've come off rather irritable! Sorry, it's just that I'm American and have tried having this conversation with other Americans, who tend to react like I'm taking their toys away. You're doing fine.

@hynek I think we have the same person in mind, and came to the same conclusion.

My dude, if I, a principal-level engineer (allowing a moment of non-humility here) with 15 years of industry experience cannot prompt the best coding model well enough to produce code that's commitable without significant changes I very much doubt a PM can. Or was everyone just pushing garbage to prod all this time and I was unaware?

@hynek Third-Person Thinking.

I think I heard this on bsky, where it was attributed to some middle schoolers a teacher knew

@clayote @hynek I don’t get it. Could you explain?

@jimgar @hynek First person thinking is whenever "I think" something. When you want to have thought something, but you don't want to think it, you might ask an AI what it "thinks".

Of course, you're the one reading any meaning into the text, but you're pretending it's somebody else -- the grammatical "third person".

You could generalize this to the type of person who leans on "common knowledge" all the time, which, come to think of it, is something awful project managers do, too

@hynek PMs need to go back to being an ill-considered barrier between developers and end-users. Go back to having bad ideas that developers can quickly demonstrate are bad.
@hynek I find it so funny that they haven’t even stopped to realize that what they have been contributing is something we could have done for the last many years, but didn’t, because we figured they were probably better at it than us
@hynek Coding by Braggadocio?

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Maybe 'Vibemaxxing'? Or perhaps 'code wrongling'?

@hynek PMs and designers where i work are encouraged to vibe code features now. not sure who will be on call for those changes
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What I find funny is the people trying to sell budgeting apps that they made using vibe coding, when literally anyone can just write their own budgeting app for half the price that you're charging for your app. That's the problem with business models that are based on using AI for everything. The bar of entry is so low that there's basically no market for your product. People acting like using AI is some kind of rare or special skill make me facepalm.
@hynek I’ve heard it called „Shit‘s easy syndrome“ in a similar context.