I saw a comment the other day about how renewables and EVs are only viable cos of subsidies. I wish it was better known by the general population just how much governments subsidise the fossil fuels industry. In .NL it's something like €40bn a year. Now imagine if we spent that on district heating, and public transport, and heat pumps? And actually built the offshore wind farms that noone tendered for.

This all seems so fucking obvious.

@quixoticgeek Note that you didn't disconfess the first claim, but you just affirmed that other forms of energy are subsidized.
Now that can be interesting: let me claim that any form of energy get subsidies.
We aren't, as final users, paying 'directly' for all of its cost.
And it's already so costly for us! At least for me.

I'd summarize that anyway the problem isn't the direct cost of energy, or the indirect cost of plants and production. What's more relevant is the footprint it leaves.

@luc0x61 what country are you in ?
@quixoticgeek I'm in Italy. Is that relevant? 🤔