the thing you must understand now is that regardless of their stated views, liars like Bryan Lunduke, Lennart Poettering, and Dylan M Taylor have demonstrated by their actions that they all have the same goal: a fascist software ecosystem that operates against our interests and exploits but does not empower our labor. it is the destruction of FOSS as we know it.

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Bryan Lunduke has always treated FOSS like a right-wing political project. he has also always misrepresented his goals as technical ones. the current moment is very convenient for him: he is using the valid need for an alternative to systemd to funnel people into fascist-controlled software ecosystems like Devuan and Artix. under no circumstances will Lunduke ever acknowledge the many init alternatives and distributions run by marginalized leftists. this is the game he has played for years.

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@zzt wait how is Devuan fascist-controlled?

(my feeling is more "so understaffed that they have to follow systemd's lead in more aspects than they'd like to")

@GyrosGeier @zzt I'm old enough that I have a bit of blind spot to left/right politics in older software projects, so yeah, for me too it would be great to see some elaboration on these points. I've annoyingly become a nixos convert in recent years, which is very systemd dependent. I guess I need to go look at some of the weird forks (guix itself would probably be a step too far for this ageing brain.)

@srtcd424 @GyrosGeier @zzt devuan was also supporting xlibre, I believe, which is a fascist project.

I have no idea if Devuan is actually fascist or just dangerously naive but either way I don’t trust them.

@benjamineskola @srtcd424 @zzt my impression (from reading the mailing list) is that they are mostly reacting to authoritarians infringing on their freedom, but not extrapolating that to resisting any form of authoritarianism.
@GyrosGeier @srtcd424 @zzt Yeah, I can imagine that. There’s definitely still somehow a kind of person who can think ‘keep politics out of tech’ and convinces themselves that ‘no DEI’ means being politically neutral, or something like that.

@srtcd424 @GyrosGeier @zzt Oh, yes, that thing about age... not necessarily chronological age, but just having been in open source environments for over 25 years. I remember reading ESR's Cathedral & Bazaar thing and thinking he was a good guy, who just liked guns a bit much. It was a different time, and, in hindsight, not in a good way.

I think I'll go all-in on Gentoo in the future. They seem to have the right taste in things.

@GyrosGeier @zzt Links regarding the controversy?