DC has a curfew for people under 18 - they have to be off the street by 11pm, and, in certain neighborhoods, 8pm.

Now, I'm at the age where I should be yelling at kids to get off my lawn, and I get that groups of teenagers are prone to getting into trouble (and can make grownups uncomfortable even when they don't). But it still rubs me the wrong way.

Kids should be held accountable for their actual conduct, not pre-judged merely for being young.

That said, all of you - regardless of age - are invited to get the hell off my lawn.
@mattblaze surely you should be telling the youf to get *on* your lawn and off the street?
@mattblaze I think your infosec followers are surprised you have a lawn
@mattblaze land of the free
@noplasticshower Our motto is actually "Taxation Without Representation", at least according to the license plates.
@mattblaze @noplasticshower there is some deep irony that one of the foremost experts in the world on voting security in some important cases can't

@mattblaze
11pm you might convince me was a misguided attempt at improving sleep patterns, but 8pm? Why are underage people treated like they're not people 😭

Can they drive? What if they're at a friend's place? This is so bizarre to me.

@dancer_storm Apparently an over-reaction to some recent flash mobs.

@mattblaze im sorry, does that abrogate their Constitutional rights?

@dancer_storm

@mattblaze I agree with the entire post, 8pm is especially egregious. However, maybe this is just my inner oldness showing, but I don't think anything good happens after 11pm.

If it does, I won't be awake for it. 😂

@Kosei Respectfully, some of the very best times of my life happened after 11 p.m. in my youth, young adulthood, adulthood, & menopausal maniac stages.

@mattblaze

The Pre-Crime Division will be founded in Washington D.C. then y'all get your freedom back. It'll be perfect.

@mattblaze I heard that Daytona Beach just imposed a curfew for the kids under 18 because things were nuts last weekend. I kind of doubt that the 17 year olds were causing the problems, though.

The US has a complex relationship with the age of majority.

Want to drive? Want to smoke? Want to drink? Want to vote? Want to enlist? Want a lap dance? Want to get married? Want to get a credit card? Want to get a vasectomy? It's a fricking mess.

@mattblaze Having just made a brief run to the store at 8:30p on a Saturday, I found myself pretty annoyed with the Youths that were out being loud for no reason.

But that is just being in public, and the sad fact that Target and Walmart are what amount to Third Spaces these days.

Being loud is something the US is at least as incoherent about as being young

@foxxtrot @mattblaze

@foxxtrot @mattblaze Around here, it's Baskin Robbins and Starbucks, apparently. I don't often go to either, but because I was out the other day, stopped by Starbucks to see if they had any (free) used coffee grounds for the garden, and it was PACKED with teenagers.
@mattblaze Does the law have an explicit exception for protests? It seems to me one has a reasonable 1st amendment argument for being out past curfew as a protest of the curfew
@mattblaze I don't think Toronto has any sort of curfew. On the other hand, at the moment, thanks to the destruction caused by last fall's water-line replacement, I don't have a lawn. Get the hell off my dirt!

@mattblaze
I love that you'll act surprised when people rise to this provocactive statement.

You're objectively correct of course, but it'll be entertaining.

@mattblaze
People are going to argue with a teen curfew, and you know they will. Think we agree that it's an unnecessarily demeaning thing to do to kids and probably statistically unsupportable as a deterrent to the behavior it's supposed to address. Lose on all fronts.

Someone's going to argue anyway. I take solace that your responses are better than most, but you've got to know it's coming.

@snorerot13 I get enough people here telling me I'm wrong that I don't really need people to tell me that other people will tell me I'm wrong.
@mattblaze
Fair enough. No disrespect intended.

@mattblaze when I was a teenager I was often on the street at 10 or 11 at night

because I was taking night classes at community college

@sarae @mattblaze education is important, but curfew is importanter.
@mattblaze It's the same thing happening online with age verification.