The difference is real

https://lemmy.zip/post/61162354

Wasn’t Mueller behind the massive illegal spying program under George Bush Jr?

archive.is/PFUm4

Opponents have challenged provisions of the USA Patriot Act, the focus of contentious debate on Capitol Hill this week, that expand domestic surveillance by giving the Federal Bureau of Investigation more power to collect information like library lending lists or Internet use. Military and F.B.I. officials have drawn criticism for monitoring what were largely peaceful antiwar protests.

en.wikipedia.org/…/President's_Surveillance_Progr…

Bush Lets U.S. Spy on Callers Without Courts

National Security Agency officials privately voice concern about legality of eavesdropping on Americans and others inside United States without court-approved warrants, as secretly authorized by Pres Bush in wake of 9/11 attacks; at issue is NSA's monitoring of international telephone calls and e-mail messages inside US in search of evidence of terrorist activity under presidential order signed in 2002; dozen current and former agency officials question whether this surveillance has stretched, if not crossed, constitutional limits on legal searches; Bush administration views operation as necessary so agency can move quickly on threats to US; defenders of program say it has been critical tool in helping disrupt terrorist plots and prevent attacks inside US; critics say most people targeted for NSA monitoring have never been charged with crime; it is not clear how much members of Congress were told about presidential order and eavesdropping program; photo; timeline of NSA's half-century of surveillance (L)

The New York Times

What Obama said was not entirely true to Robert’s personality and actions, but that is beside the point.

The point is that some people have decorum and are good speakers. Some people, even if they don’t mean it, are respectful of the dead, even if they don’t deserve it.

And some manchildren have none of that. The day that man baby dies I probably won’t have any decorum either.

And some manchildren have none of that.

Obama very wisely and maturely appointed Mueller’s protege James Comey to head the FBI. Comey very diligently and methodically played Ds and Rs against one another to secure his position as a radical centrist. And between the two of them, the conditions were laid for a Manchild to take control of the executive branch.

I just don’t get the need for hagiography. All these guys sucked. Some of them were just smoother about it than others.

All politicians may suck ass.

However, Obama is not a pedophile, rapist, and convicted felon. That’s all about Cheeto Chimp.

Obama is not a pedophile

He sent his kids to work at Miramax fully aware of Harvey Weinstein’s history. He spent more labor and resources conducting a Cold War across Latin America and the Middle East than cracking down on the crooks, the white nationalists, and the pedophiles at home.

Ffs, his chief economic advisor - Larry Summers - absolutely was a pedophile. As were his political allies in the tech sector, Elon Musk and Bill Gates.

If he wasn’t personally schtupping kids, he was enabling and enriching those that did.

Trump, himself, was engaged in open and notorious human trafficking through Eastern Europe during Obama’s tenure. This whole thing could have been nipped in the bud if his FBI director James Comey cared half as much about Krasnov as Hillary’s emails.

STFU Twatwaffle.
Wow can’t defend Obama for such a shitty record so you result to name calling.
If Trump wasn’t any of those 3 things, would you have any more positive view on what he’s done while in office?
Fuck no. He’s the biggest POS currently wasting oxygen on Earth.
Well, he’d have to have done anything positive in the first place

The point is that some people have decorum and are good speakers. Some people, even if they don’t mean it, are respectful of the dead, even if they don’t deserve it.

“It doesn’t matter if he was evil, he spoke well and respect bad people dying”

Why do centrists always police language over action?

“Decorum” is a top principle of so-called centrists.
It’s like the pro-life of conservatives, a good soundbite but actually “decorum” means respecting absolutely nothing.
You just assumed I’m a centrist because I expect politicians to be respectful of each other? Holy shit dude there is something wrong with your moral compass. Respecting people and disagreeing with them are not mutually exclusive.
I assumed you’re a centrist because you went on to praise “decorum” instead of the negatives he did, but I suppose to be fair you could also be a right winger.