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UndauntedIf you wish to increase your sadness and dread a little more, have a look at this list
Great Blue HeronSadness and dread is a perfect description. As I started reading I was building a mental list of things to stop using - I didnāt get very far before I gave up. So many projects Iāve held up in high regard.
Sadness, dread and defeat.
rozodruThere are many viable and better alternatives than whatās on that list. thereās really nothing there that should make you think āohā¦I donāt know what to use nowā most of the stuff listed is garbage anyways. Like take Zen Browser for example. you can essentially do that yourself on just about any fork of firefox by simply editing the userChrome.css. Librewolf is another example of ādoing it yourselfā on just about any fork or firefox or just firefox itself.
dohpaz42Really?
My list of ānot trivial to replaceā is:
firefox - desktop and android ImageMagik - I donāt use it directly, but other things I use depend on it VLC - yeah, I know there are other options but VLC has so much else going for it, itās hard to change Jellyfin - whatās the alternative? Kodi? Oh waitā¦ curl rsync .NET - I donāt use it directly, but things I use depend on it python vim - Iāve been using vi for 35 years, Iām not changing now. But Iām happy to use old versions. Joplin - argh, just finished migrating my documentation into here KeepassXC Mastodon Lemmy systemd Linux Kernel!!
It might be trivial for you, but not for me. I like systemd - perhaps because I came to Linux from AIX? Anyway, because I like it, I use it on all 4 of my servers - I have custom systemd unit files for applications I run that donāt natively support it, Iāve removed cron and use systemd timers for all my scheduling and I use systemdās remote journal capability to centralise logs to my monitoring server.
if you are not used to it you will have to learn itā¦ that goes both waysā¦
and all the functionality you need were already in normal initfiles, cron and rsyslogd
my main issue with systemd always has been, that it centralises stuff that does not relate to each other into one single program instead of keeping it seperate and as simple as possible
I never said I canāt do it - Iāve been running different varieties of unix for over 35 years. I said itās not trivial.
And being a bit pedantic with your terminology - systemd does not ācentralises stuff that does not relate to each other into one single programā. systemd, systemd-journald, systemd-networkd, systemd-resolved etc. etc. are all separate programs, provided by the systemd project, with their own configuration. You are free to pick and choose which parts of systemd you use and which you donāt.
All that being said - I am a bit over complexity of modern mainstream distributions and am now considering moving to Apline for my servers.
VLC doesnāt surprise me, dude rants all the time about how great vibe coding is.
Librewolf doesnāt surprise me.
Kitty 100% does NOT surprise me. The dev is an absolute tool who thinks his shit donāt stink but the guy has no clue what heās doing at that end of the day. he rags on multiplexers or the simple act of copying via keyboard multiple lines in the terminal cause he DOESNāT know how to do it so therefore those things are āgarbageā. of course he uses copilot, when it comes to AI he doesnāt even know of a āgoodā one to use. Donāt use Kitty, itās slop from end to end. For example launch tmux in Kitty and then try to change your ākitten themeāā¦Iāll wait.
VeganCheesecake?
I think you might be confusing the columns there. Firefox is listed as project using Ai, Librewolf and Zen are listed as āalternativesā (a bit silly, since they are soft forks, but whatevs). Neither seem to be listed for LLM usage.
Librewolf is listed as an alternative.
Whenever I hear about kitty, itās always about a negative experience with the dev. I myself have had a negative experience with him. Dudeās gonna go down in history as a bad example of how OSS devs conduct themselves
Iām happy with the terminal, though. Itās fine for my simple needs
ChloĆ© š„vlc and mpv? python?? the mesa drivers??? LINUX???
oh weāre so fucked
Or people should take it as a slap of reality that AI has gotten good enough to code because actual developers are using it.
Give it another year and this wonāt even be a discussion anymore as every programmer will be using assisted coding in some manner.
just another year bro, trust me just another year and ai will do everything! yes i know i said this last year and the year before but this time itās for real bro!
unless the ai companies can magically solve the poor code quality, the unethical training data, the environmental impacts, the deskilling of developers, and the strong dependency on themselves for your coding, all this in a year, allow me to doubt you.
I mean no I donāt believe theyāll do everything but compared to last year AI coding has made leaps and its kind of dumb to imagine technology will not continue to do so.
1 year ago vibe coding was not good enough to make it into code bases.
unless the ai companies can magically solve the poor code quality, the unethical training data, the environmental impacts, the deskilling of developers, and the strong dependency on themselves for your coding, all this in a year, allow me to doubt you.
Im not some full on AI stan, so i share the same concerns you do on ethics and environmental impact. However I dont see how either of those matter in relation to code quality.
Code quality will is basically already good enough to be used mainstream, so I donāt know how you expect it to get worse. But sure feel free to revisit this in a year.
well, my point is also partly that all developers wonāt disregard all the concerns just because the code quality is good enough
and the ones that do, they and their projects should be shunned. hence the list.
The_DecryptorI mean no I donāt believe theyāll do everything but compared to last year AI coding has made leaps and its kind of dumb to imagine technology will not continue to do so.
People have been consistently saying this for over a year at this point and itās still the same garbage results as always. Just look at the recent Meta and Amazon issues with it producing nonsense and people just taking it at face value for some reason.
The only thing itās gotten better at is making people rely on it.
The code quality is fine with the right prompts and guardrails, and companies donāt care about the other stuff.
This list and the reaction to the list is so funny to me.
Programmers are so fucked. Cant wait for the many, many smug idiots of the last 10-15 years struggle to find work.
And its not like many of them have the social skills to work the āunskilledā labor jobs so many of them deride.
Holy shit, my sides.
āHaha, people are going to struggle to eat and house themselves and probably die. Haha, my sides!ā
Psychopath.
Well, youāve entirely missed my point.
NotSteve_The list is genuinely stupid and lacks any nuance. See my other comments in this thread but this is sort of thing is where people who are anti-AI are shooting themselves in the foot and making the general public write off any genuine criticism as ridiculous.
Most of those projects allow AI to be used in the dev process and thatās it. That list includes projects that just document that things like AI line completion and similar can be used but code is still reviewed by at least one skilled human maintainer
Oh noā¦ reading this, I think I just died a little insideā¦ couldnāt finish the listā¦
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