Ilovethebomb"G-giving aid to Ukraine to stop the murder of Ukrainians by a fascist Russian government is immoral..."
ComradeSharkfuckerI’d love for you to explain how domestically produced vietnamese resistance to French, Japanese, and American imperialism is materially the same as western powers fighting a proxy war with Russia at the expense of Ukrainian lives.
Would also love to hear the political analysis that led you to believing Russia is distinctly fascist rather than capitalist.
So Vietnam wasn’t a proxy war?
Not in the way the war in Ukraine is
Please, by all means elaborate.
Listen, I’m not answering you rn because you sound super fucking smug and it’s annoying. Also you haven’t actually offered a detailed opinion of your own and it sounds like you are just waiting for me to give mine so you can criticize it instead of offering something of substance yourself. Answer my original question and I’ll back to you when I’m sober and it isn’t a few past midnight.
Your original question asks me to refute an unfounded claim you’ve made based on no evidence whatsoever, just what you want to believe is true.
And I’m not playing that silly game.
I was giving you my personal perspective and asking that you develop yours beyond the meme. I am genuinely curious why you think this way.
They were both proxy wars. But what were they fighting for? In the cold war, usa wanted vietnam to remain a colony to extract profits, but ussr wanted an ally in the region instead. nowadays usa want ukraine to become a vassal state to destabilize its geopolitical adversaries in the region, specifically russia. much like israel is used against many middle eastern nations. russia has no virtuous intention other than self preservation, and they are not a superpower anymore, so they used the tools they had which was a military operation to disarm ukraine and nato.
The USA, along with the rest of NATO, wants Ukraine to remain independent, and not fall into Russian hands.
Remember, the US is just one nation providing military aid to Ukraine. Even Australia and New Zealand are contributing.
QinShiHuangsShlongThe USA, along with the rest of NATO, wants Ukraine to remain independent
Lmao
Remember, the US is just one nation providing military aid to Ukraine.
Mark Rutte leader of NATO said it himself that NATO is just means for the US to project power.
Even Australia
Even “CIA Base pretending to be a country” is contributing. They literally disappeared a PM for not being thankful enough for pine gap.
Why did you mention USA, USA[Economic Vassal], and USA[Economic Vassal] for a total of three times?
Cowbee [he/they]The entire west is using Ukraine as a battering ram to damage geopolitical enemies, while harvesting it for rare Earths and resources, saddling it with debt and disrupting peace talks. The west has no virtuous intent here.
And you think Russia had virtuous intent helping Vietnam?
Yes the Soviets and Chinese of the time very much wanted Vietnam to be free of colonialism just like in Korea.
It’s so sweet that you think that.
It’s the material reality. The fact Vietnam was fighting a common enemy clearly helped but the core of support was the same as the reason they supported African liberation, to bring an end to colonialism. I think bringing an end to imperialism and colonialism is an unambiguous good. “Virtue” is nonsense anyway might as well talk about sins or ontological good and evil. The material outcomes is all that matters.
I mean it’s not a hypothetical. They won. So you can see what they did after they won. The fact that they wanted a vietnam free of colonialism is testified by the fact that they freed vietnam from colonialism.