Trump mulls 'winding down' war and leaving Strait of Hormuz crisis to 'other nations'

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Trump mulls 'winding down' war and leaving Strait of Hormuz crisis to 'other nations' - Lemmy.World

He says other nations will have to guard and police the Strait of Hormuz as necessary, after his attacks on the country prompted Iran to target vessels in the crucial world shipping lane. Mark Stone analyses the Truth Social post.

Thats your MO. Come in, shit all over everything, ruin people’s lives, and leave. Please leave this plane of existence immediately.
If only the other nations would hold us responsible. They should be placing sanctions on is like those that were on Russia. Then it would actually make some Republicans non maga, start to move away from maga
Trump is unhinged enough to drop nukes on a country before the end of his term, not to mention all the lickspittles he has around Europe (Salvini, Meloni, Orban, Farage) ready to drum up support for US decisions.
Sanctions have never worked that way. They often end up doing the opposite and bolstering nationalism.
Pigeon management: Fly in, shit on everything, strut around like you’re the best and then fly away without a care.
Yeah but they are actually super fascinating. I read a book about them and couldnt stop reading. So much cool stuff about pigeons.
Don’t insult pigeons like that.

So that means he is gonna attack Kharg Island, doesn’t it? Or launch a ground invasion elsewhere in Iran?

He likes to do this stupid transparent 4D chess stuff to try and keep people off balance

I’m sure you can just watch the betting sites, going to be some random 3 million dollar bet two hours before it happens and that’ll be junior cashing in.
It’s not your fault but I hate that you’re right. We live in the fucking torment nexus timeline.

America: I’ve had enough.

Iran: I didn’t hear no bell.

They have no reason to start letting US ships through the strait and America has no ability to stop them.

The nationality of the ships isn’t important.

Anyway, Iran won’t keep antagonizing the entire world if their existence isn’t at risk. They haven’t been acting like crazy.

Backing off means allowing Israel/US to do this again in the future. I don’t think they’re done yet especially since their Supreme Leader got assassinated by the US.
I still want to know why Iran had it’s supreme leader and all the other high ups in a vulnerable location knowing this was going to break out into war. Some said maybe the supreme leader wanted to be a martyr, ok, but why was everyone else that was there there? Including the son of the supreme leader. Something stinks about this, Idk what, but there is some fuckery afoot.

supreme leader and all the other high ups in a vulnerable location knowing this was going to break out into war

US negotiation meetings were scheduled for the next monday. He was very old, and a succession to his son, would seem an opportunity to fake his martyrdom for national unity, if somehow zionist axis thought this was a good idea to hit his house.

King Charles, relies on thinking it would be a bad idea for US to bomb Buckingham Palace for his security.

Israel attacked them in the last war when they were in peace negotiations. So that talks were scheduled is no excuse for not practicing good opsec for their leadership. King Charles isn’t under threat of attack by the US and Israel so I don’t see how that is a good analogy. Iran’s supreme leader was almost assassinated last war, they knew, or should have known, they were going to do it.

If it’s just about his martyrdom, why include all the other higher ups, and his son? Perhaps the Iranian hardliners tipped off the Israelis is where I’m going with this. I don’t necessarily think the hardliners are wrong at this point don’t get me wrong, this war was going to happen, and the old guard doesn’t quite get it.

King Charles isn’t under threat of attack by the US

50/50 on whether it would increase UK sycophancy to US, even though it was unreasonable to expect Iran to be “convinced of US’s force for good” from their attack. The point that the attack only results in loss of prestige/attitudes towards US is the reason to not worry about “the surprise attack”.

Shorter answer, in hindsight this turned out not to be the most self-preserving decision. It’s not a complicated conspiracy.

Himdsight my foot, I knew Israel was going to try to kill the Supreme leader, but they didn’t? Why the fuck not? The Martyr thing only works if his son didn’t get hit too along with all those other military higher ups.

I knew Israel was going to try to kill the Supreme leader

The only reason to do so is to make sure Iran doesn’t surrender, and to ensure that Iranian people back IRGC retaliation. If you knew this, then you know that Israel are just subhuman POS, that made this their objective. Sometimes Zionazi axis pretends that it would like a new liberal loving Iran instead of an angry Iran.

Their existence is at risk as long as the US has military bases in the region.
It’s not the Strait of Hormuz crisis, it’s Trump’s Middle East Epstein Distraction War. Not to be confused with Trump’s South American Epstein Distraction War.
Didn’t think TACO even applied to military action, learn something new every day I guess.
i’d rather have him chicken out than continue a pointless war though
He truly should have gotten that peace price shouldnt he.
And at the same time he deployed a fuck load more marines to Karg.

Marines have not been deployed to Kharg yet, unless I missed something.

What you’re seeing here is just classic Trump, utterly indecisive, utterly lacking in any ability to make long term plans. This is why he doesn’t like war; it demands long term planning and punishes impulsivity (at least at the strategic level).

Currently he’s stuck between two bad options. He can abandon the fight, or he can go all in. Both choices hurt him, just in different ways. And because he’s a creature of pure id who craves constant adulation and approval, he’s doing what he usually does and sounding those choices out in public to see what plays / feels best.

US ships, USS Abraham Lincoln group, moved back 3 times, now 1000km away, because it was targetted. Any USS Tripoli mission will need to sail past entire Iranian coast to get to Kharg.
The servants will clean up the bed I shat.

“Someone else shat in my bed, good thing I have servants to clean it up.”

He’d never take responsibility.

It was my diaper that was full but someone else shat in it. I think it was Pete or lil Marco, one of those two who SHAT THE BED!
So his war slogan is I break you fix?
If farting and leaving the room was a president 
He is doing that on a regular basis. 
The fart ends when a shit begins
Just leave a giant steaming dump on the elevator for the custodian to clean up. That’s his job, he gets paid for it.

If America pulls out, what would happen to Israel?

Would they continue? Can they take on Iran alone and bring the regime change they keep promising?

Would the US just give them guns and ammunition to continue?

We know that if Israel wanted to take Iran solo, they would have already done that. This might blow up in Bibi’s face.

GCC will move closer to Iran as a block that will make Israel take a more humanist attitude to region.
Hey, if he pulls the military back out from the Middle East, he can take credit for ending another war that he obviously won single-handedly. Plus he can get another Nobel Prize…
Nobel is old and busted. Obviously the FIFA peace trophy is the new hotness.
This would be the most constructive possible act by US. GCC will organize peace among themselves. Their customers will help reconstruct and ensure peace in the region.

If you’re iran, what’s stopping you from charging a toll for anyone using the strait?

Oh, you want your oil tanker to leave the gulf? That’ll be one million dollars.

Make an exemption for oil traded in non-usd for maximum fun.

That’s kind of what they are already doing.

This is current state of shipping in SoH. Everyone who goes through has some deal with Iran to pass safely. Iran has offered an “Islamic assembly” (UN/NATO like) peace deal for neighbours. Backup plan if GCC does not ally with Iran is to keep the toll system.

Oh, you want your oil tanker to leave the gulf? That’ll be one million dollars.

One ship reportedly paid Iran $BritishPounds2B to go through. $ and Euro are worthless to Iran because of corrupt banking system. All payments in CNY already.

makes mess; leaves it for everyone else to clean up
Unrelated but why is he so white in the picture?
Apparently the spray paint guy was a reservist.